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[–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

How about covering the main differences between Catholics and Christians?

[–]Cornfed[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I've touched on that in a few posts. I'm more interested in explaining Christianity as I see it at the moment. The topic is already fairly well covered.

[–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Do you mean how modern people are thinking and acting regarding Christianity? There's a lot of potential in that 'at the moment' phrase.

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

How about something you'll never hear about in church? Like how the Jewish temple cult and Christian church corrupted the Bible over the centuries. They can still get away with it because most people don't actually read it and see how much it contradicts itself, so all the leaders have to do is pick and choose the parts they like and never mention the ones they don't.

[–]Cornfed[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Could you tie that to specific issues? Are there specific points of confusion you are thinking of? I've probably touched on some of this already.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The most heavily edited texts are probably the Torah and Paul's letters. Both contain the highest concentration of...concerning messages. The Torah is infamous for the "cruel" "Old Testament God" and commanding genocide, death, war, torture, animal sacrifice, and straight up evil...while other parts of it say the exact opposite. God cries out in Jeremiah,

Add your burnt offerings on your sacrifices and eat meat. Because I did not speak to your ancestors and did not command them, in the day I took them from the land of Egypt, on things of burnt offering and sacrifice.

The people of Judah have done evil in my eyes, they put their filthy things in the house which is called my name on it, to make it unclean. And they built the heights of Tophet, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom (the valley were Jews famously burned those deemed sinners, even in the time of Jesus, which the Torah now commands after their tampering), to burn their sons and daughters in fire, which I did not command nor did it rise onto my heart (enter my mind).

How will you say, 'we are wise, and YHWH's law is with us'? Look, indeed for falsehood wrote the false pen of the scribes.

Even right at the beginning of the Torah, we have two irreconcilable stories of creation, Genesis 1:1-2:3 and 2:4-3:24. It's so butchered that many early Christians concluded that it could not possibly be from the same god.

As for Paul's letters, they're so full of interpolations that they don't even make sense. Many of them teach concerning things. And you can almost hear the interpolators arguing with each other. "An idol means nothing, so you can eat sacrifices." (1 Corinthians 8). "No, an idol isn't anything, but the sacrifices are offered to demons, and you cannot have a part in both the Lord’s table and the table of demons." (1 Corinthians 10:14-22). "But the earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it, so eat everything as long as no one sees it as idolatry." (1 Corinthians 10:23-33). All in the midst of Paul trying to write his letter to a church. Some of the most concerning interpolations in Paul are most of Romans 9-11 (predestination, the jews are not God's people), 1 Thessalonians 13-16 (da joos), 1 Corinthians 5:2-5, 5:7-8, & 5:10-6:14 (judge people), 1 Corinthians 11:3-16 (women are lesser than men, men cannot have long hair and women cannot have short hair), 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 (women speaking in church is shameful), and Romans 13:1-7 (obey authority, because they are good and never corrupt, and are "God's servants"; at that time, the Roman Empire, which literally banned Christianity and punished it with torture and death, even playing a role in having Jesus put to death, and imprisoning Paul himself). Some of his supposed letters are entirely forgeries, especially 1 Timothy (probably one of the most vile books in the Bible) and Titus. Most of the supposed letters from other apostles are also forgeries.

[–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

probably one of the most vile books in the Bible

Because of this?

Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.


Off-topic. You've expressed a strong interest in this phenomenon, so you may have an interest in the site below. Link is to discussion of the recent article in the NYT.

https://sanctioned-suicide.org/threads/nyt-story-megathread.79116/

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Off-topic. You've expressed a strong interest in this phenomenon, so you may have an interest in the site below. Link is to discussion of the recent article in the NYT.

https://sanctioned-suicide.org/threads/nyt-story-megathread.79116/

That was actually /u/cqtz, not me. I'm not surprised you mixed us up though, you can barely tell the difference between us if not for usernames. In fact even I get us confused sometimes.

[–]Node 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

you can barely tell the difference between us if not for usernames.

IKR? It's practically like your posts and comments are from the same mind.

https://saidit.net/s/whatever/comments/8lpj/whats_the_point_of_living_if_you_have_no_chance/

But from posts like that and other discussions. It's an odd crowd over there, as you might imagine.

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

IKR? It's practically like your posts and comments are from the same mind.

I often wonder if we're actually the same person and I just switch lives every time I go to sleep, with no memory of the other one. One way you can easily tell the difference, however, is that I'm a complete mess and never accomplish anything, while cqtz is a savant. She's also a lot more polite. But even those things are simply because of circumstance.

I'm not that interested in sanctioned suicide. I just want to quit this life.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

No, nothing to do with that. It's because basically the entire thing is a church father pretending to be Paul and writing out a whole bunch of commandments for people to obey the church and never question the church, and how churches should be run. It also contradicts Paul pretty much every other sentence. Not that Paul has the right to institute such things in the first place.

Here are a few gems from it:

I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people— for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness.

As if doing good only matters if it's towards kings and those in authority. Totally not an agenda or anything.

A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.

Hmm, I wonder who's responsible for 1 Corinthians 11:3-16 and 14:34-35. This also disqualifies many people in the Bible itself, including Phoebe as a deacon and Junia as an apostle...who were associates with Paul.

But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.

This statement is heretical on so many levels. First of all, this is a works salvation, stating that bearing children is a requirement for salvation for women (and probably men too, as we will see shortly). Not only that, but it treats celibacy or even not being able to have children as a sin, when celibacy is to be preferred--and Paul being one of its main proponents.

Here is a trustworthy saying: Whoever aspires to be an overseer desires a noble task. Now the overseer is to be above reproach, faithful to his wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him, and he must do so in a manner worthy of full respect. (If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God’s church?)

Paul the celibate teaching that teachers must be married with children? I don't think so. By this law Jesus himself is condemned, and so is the apostle who supposedly gave it.

He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil’s trap.

As if faith has ever been about having a good reputation with outsiders. More like the hypocrites clean the outside of the cup but are filthy inside, but happy are those who are persecuted and hated, because this is how the prophets and Jesus himself and all his followers were treated. Sounds like someone didn't like this and wanted to pressure believers back into obeying Roman social norms.

The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.

This is targeted at Marcionism, which forbade marrying and eating meat. But the whole Marcion fiasco happened long after Paul's death. And based on the "certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth" language, we likely found the culprit behind the interpolation of 1 Corinthians 10:23-33.

Of course, I also find almost no interpolations at all in this letter. That probably means the church really didn't like what Paul wrote, so they rewrote him, and since this letter was authored entirely by themselves, there was no need for confusing interpolations everywhere.

I cannot find any reason for this letter to exist other than the most deceitful motivations. The author wants to keep believers in check and obeying the Roman empire and culture. He wants them to be submissive and like blind sheep, serving the authorities as much as possible. He wants to institute the Christian version of the Jewish temple religion of the Pharisees and Sadduccees. And we saw it happen throughout history, and it is still happening. This "letter" is flat-out heretical. I would not be surprised if the devil himself wrote it to confuse believers back into following religion and statism, so he can easily control them.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think it would be cool to discuss the secrets of fatima

[–]Node 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone has felt the need to claim there's no forth secret...

[–]Vng418 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Possibly a blog post dedicated to objections to the ex-Christian turned Judaist's reasons for leaving Jesus Christ? Btw. what do you think of a former PUA seducer RooshV who turned to Jesus Christ through the Orthodox Church? There are dozens of blog posts on his site.

[–]Cornfed[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I checked out Doosh's site and there doesn't seem to be much of interest there. I think he needed an new spiel when the bottom fell out of the PUA market. As to Christians becoming Judaists, I didn't know that was a thing, other than maybe to get their "jew card". Do you have a link?

[–]Vng418 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)