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[–]Brewdabier 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

Left out A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, but the NRA is good at misinformation.

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    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I don't know how, but a couple of people have this theory that nuclear weapons do not exist. I wish to learn more about this theory.

    [–]Cornfed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    That wouldn't have been the original interpretation. The second amendment does not establish a right but rather says that an existing right shall not be infringed. The existing right had limitations. For example it was about arms you bear, not ships of the line and such.

    [–]Brewdabier 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    Second Amendment

    At that time the country had no gangs and idiots with little gun experience like today.

    [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

    hahhaa really?

    [–]Brewdabier 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Yeap now we have shit for brains who own guns yet can't use them properly and worse yet actually think something like a AK or M4 is the right home defense weapon. I'm guessing here but I think 90 % of gun owners can't hit a 100 mm target from 10 meters away.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I guess fewer people hunt for food than ever, so maybe you're onto something here. I did enjoy your other comments on this post.

    [–]turtlew0rk 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Wouldn't the language be more about the right to form an armed militia shall not be infringed if this is about militia's only?

    The way it is stated it seems to me it is saying that the right for men to bear arms shall not be infringed so that a militia (which is necessary to keep the authority of a free state) can be formed when needed to maintain that security.

    How would a militia form if citizens had no right to bear arms?

    [–]Cornfed 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Right, the well regulated militia is a legal term for men capable of bearing arms between certain ages and the purpose of the second amendment is to allow men to own and carry weapons to take part in the militia.

    [–]Brewdabier 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    At the time of the American Revolutionary War, militias were groups of able-bodied men who protected their towns, colonies, and eventually states. "[When the Constitution was drafted], the militia was a state-based institution, Well-regulated in the 18th century tended to be something like well-organized, well-armed, well-disciplined. "It didn't mean 'regulation' in the sense that we use it now, in that it's not about the regulatory state. There's been nuance there. It means the militia was in an effective shape to fight.

    What type of security was referred to here? To get to that, consider the climate of the United States at the time. The country had just fought a war, won its independence and was expanding west. There were plenty of reasons to feel unsafe, and so "security" had a very palpable meaning. "You have an expanding country, and the principle defense use of the militia would be to protect local residents from attack and invasion It also meant physical protection from government overreach.

    The idea of a state militia would also be attractive because it serves as a deterrent against national tyranny," says Rakove. "At the time, if government forces tried to take over land or overstep their boundaries, you'd have an institution in place -- the militia -- that would outnumber any army." Of course, with the size and scope of the modern United States military, and the fact that militias as we know it no longer exist, that notion is hard to imagine today. In the debate over the Second Amendment, this phrase, "a well regulated militia," remains one of the most cited and argued parts of the sentence.

    [–]Cornfed 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

    The second amendment a statement of support for previous English law, which was to allow men to participate in basic infantry combat. To go into what exactly it entails, you would need to look at the English tradition before that time.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    lets just go by what it says and not worry about other stuff, previous english law has nothing to do with my gun rights, tho the 2nd amendment does

    [–]Cornfed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Once again the 2nd amendment doesn't say any right is established. It says a right shall not be infringed. Thus it is talking about an existing right, which at the time and place can only mean a right in English Common Law. You can find this explained by Antonin Scalia and others. BTW, your post indicates that you are posting in the wrong sub. If you are as stupid as you seem, might some other hobby than posting on forums not be a better use of your time? Arts and crafts, collecting pokemon cards - something you're passionate about?

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    does the 2nd amendment mention english common law, if not it has nothing to do with it. Only what is in the text.

    find something else to do besides trolling as cornfed or waldo

    [–]Cornfed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It doesn't need to mention English Common Law because that was the system in place. A non-retard would know that. On another topic, presumably you have taken your vax and booster, but now they are saying up to six jabs may be required, and it can't hurt to try the jabs of different companies. The more the better.