What are your thoughts on space exploration/space travel?

submitted by YORAMRW from (self.nonmorons)

I know u/fschmidt regards race as irrelevant, and hates the alt-right/dissident right (which includes me) for "obsessing" over race, so it's kinda pointless to discuss about race on this sub considering fschmidt is never gonna change his mind on race anyways. But I know fschmidt supports eugenics (just like I do), so I thought maybe we could find common ground on the issue of space exploration and space travel as well.

I myself am very strongly in favor of investing a lot in further advancing space travel, in the hope we can one day safely travel to other stars as fast as possible. The main reason I'm strongly in favor of space exploration and space travel is that it will be the only way to save the human species from extinction in the long run. In a couple of hunders of million years, the Earth will become too hot to sustain human life due to the increased intensity of the Sun's light, and in a couple of billions of years the end of the Sun's lifecycle will begin, causing the Sun to massively grow in size and eventually swallow the Earth. So if we want secure the eternal continuation of the existence of our species, we better have sent interstellar spaceships to colonize earthlike exoplanets far before the Earth will start getting boiled.

What are your thoughts on this? Note that this isn't exclusively directed to fschmidt specifically, but also to the community of this sub in general, but since this sub is run by fschmidt and he's by far the most active user here, it's primarily directed to fschmidt.

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[–]IkeConn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We should have landed on Mars back in the 1970's.

[–]Cornfed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

We can't predictably influence what will happen over that much of a long term and in any case the mainstream cosmology you are relying on is almost certainly bullshit anyway. In any case there is no-one to take us to the stars, assuming they even exist as they are envisaged. It seems unlikely that the affirmative action NASA will be capable of heavier than air flight for much longer and Fake-X is clearly a scam.

[–]YORAMRW[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We can't predictably influence what will happen over that much of a long term

We might not be able to directly control the future beyond our own lifespans, but if we had enough political power we could definitely strongly influence the future through the decisions we make today, by delaying gratification and planning ahead. Or at least, whites and east-Asians can, I don't know what race you are.

and in any case the mainstream cosmology you are relying on is almost certainly bullshit anyway.

The "mainstream cosmology" I'm relying on already existed long before the current Jewish world order existed, the new order just didn't change it because there's no incentive for them to do so, and even if there was an incentive for them to change it, they probably couldn't do it as it would require them to manipulate and distort our perception of reality to such a degree that literally everyone with more than two brain cells would see right through it. The cosmology I'm relying on was invented by exceptionally intelligent white men, the same type of white men who explored, mapped and conquered the earth, and gave us electricity, airplanes, trains and cars.

In any case there is no-one to take us to the stars, assuming they even exist as they are envisaged.

That's also what people 200 years ago thought about airplanes, or what people a 100 years ago thought about space travel. If we would run rigorous eugenics programs for long enough, and figure out how to genetically edit undesirable traits out of humans and insert genetically beneficial traits into humans, the eventual accumulation of more and more geniuses would exponentially accelerate the rate of technological advancement. If you manage to get enough geniuses to collaborate on researching and developing space travel and other technologies, this group of geniuses would be much more productive than the sum of its parts (the individual geniuses working seperately combined), through a principle called emergence.

It seems unlikely that the affirmative action NASA will be capable of heavier than air flight for much longer and Fake-X is clearly a scam.

I definitely agree with this, hence why we need to destroy the current Jewish world order that stifles and sabotages the betterment and advancement of mankind and poisons scientific fields with woke anti-white crap like affirmitive action, before we can seriously consider things like interstellar space travel, as I mentioned in my reply to u/fschmidt's comment in this thread. Nonetheless, what NASA is doing currently to advance space travel is still better than if they did nothing at all, and it would still give us a headstart, so for that reason I'm against defunding/abolishing NASA.

[–]fschmidt 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

First a correction. The alt-right is a subset of the dissident right. I hate the alt-right but not the dissident right. I support people on the dissident right like E. Michael Jones and Varg Vikernes (white nationalist but not alt-right), and I would consider myself on the dissident right.

Now about space travel, I am currently against it. Humanity is facing an immediate crisis of genetic decay. Anything that doesn't deal with this issue is a waste of time. If this isn't solved soon, humans will degenerate to the point that they can no longer sustain current basic technology. Edward Dutton discusses this issue at length.

For someone to be involved in space travel today, they would have to be part of the current dominant system. So they would in fact be part of the problem. Good people should disengage from the dominant system and try to support alternatives that have the potential to produce good culture and good genetics.

While I do regard race as irrelevant, I would support any attempt to solve the genetic problem even if I disagree with its assumptions. I am open minded and I welcome attempts to prove me wrong. I would welcome a group of whites setting up an all-white community in a place like northwest Mexico where they would be left alone. At least this would be a test of their assumptions and everyone would be able to see the results.

[–]YORAMRW[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

First a correction. The alt-right is a subset of the dissident right. I hate the alt-right but not the dissident right. I support people on the dissident right like E. Michael Jones and Varg Vikernes (white nationalist but not alt-right), and I would consider myself on the dissident right.

I see "alt-right" and "dissident right" as practically interchangeable categories, as most people who now call themselves dissident right used to call themselves alt-right. But going by your definitions, I'm definitely part of the dissident right but I don't know if I'd also be part of the alt-right.

I'm a pan-Germanist and white nationalist, I strongly support eugenics, I lean towards social conservatism, I'm economically center-left, and I want to dismantle the predominantly Jewish-run current progressive anti-white order (often called "ZOG" or "globohomo"), and restore the old white-centric order that gradually got dismantled between around 1914 and the 1970s in favor of said new order. As you might've noticed, I talk a lot about the Jews in a quite negative manner, but I don't even necessarily hate the Jews as a whole, I just hate most of the Jewish elites because they're the current establishment and responsible for destroying the old white world and bringing about the progressive anti-white hellscape the world is today; ideally, I would want even the Jews to be eventually re-integrated into the broader white community, after we've taken out the malicious and anti-white ones through eugenics, given Jews are still genetically predominantly white.

I honestly don't see what motivates you to support E. Michael Jones and Varg Vikernes of all people. E. Michael Jones is a Catholic traditionalist, whereas you're not even Christian, and he's strongly against eugenics, whereas you support eugenics. Varg Vikernes is, like you said yourself, a white nationalist, whereas you think race is irrelevant, he (I assume) hates Jews on a biological level whereas you're Jewish, and I don't think he supports eugenics either.

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Now about space travel, I am currently against it. Humanity is facing an immediate crisis of genetic decay. Anything that doesn't deal with this issue is a waste of time. If this isn't solved soon, humans will degenerate to the point that they can no longer sustain current basic technology. Edward Dutton discusses this issue at length.

Then we are in complete agreeance on this, I strongly support rigorous eugenics programs, and I also see eugenics as essential to accelerating the advancement of space travel (and technology in general) to the point where we can develop interstellar space travel.

My ideal eugenics program would prohibit the following types of people from reproducing (not necessarily, but if necessary, through forced sterilization): Anyone with a low IQ (below 85-90), anyone with severe mental illness (schizophrenia, borderline, psychopathy, severe autism, etc.), anyone with serious heritable diseases, people who structurally use welfare despite having been offered incentives and opportunities to be productive, violent criminals and problematic drug addicts, malicious elites (both Jewish and non-Jewish), and anyone who's explicitly anti-white, anti-eugenics or is some other type of fanatical woke leftist.

My ideal eugenics program would strongly encourage and incentivize the following types of people to have as many children as possible: People with a high IQ, people who are very mentally stable, people who are very socially skilled, men who have the ability to adequately provide for their wives and children, people who are very productive to society, people with special talents (being very creative, being the inventor of groundbreaking technology, being an architect who has designed wonderful buildings, being very good at sports etc.), people who strongly support eugenics, people who are pro-white, people who support healthy traditional family values, people who look attractive, people who are physically strong and healthy.

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For someone to be involved in space travel today, they would have to be part of the current dominant system. So they would in fact be part of the problem. Good people should disengage from the dominant system and try to support alternatives that have the potential to produce good culture and good genetics.

I think you've misunderstood what I was trying to say. I don't support the current dominant system at all (in fact, I want to destroy it as I've mentioned earlier), and I agree we shouldn't send people to colonize other planets under the current dominant system (that wouldn't even be possible anyways). When I talk about space travel, I'm thinking much more long term than that, assuming the current dominant system has long been destroyed by the time we get to send people to colonize other planets.

That being said, I don't see anything wrong with supporting research and development regarding space travel in the meantime, as that would still give us a headstart once the current dominant system has been destroyed. I'd still rather have our taxpayer money in the current dominant system go towards something like NASA where it's actually put to good use, than to, for example, wokeness/diversity policies or subsidizing blacks in sub-Saharan African to pop out 10 more children per family.

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While I do regard race as irrelevant, I would support any attempt to solve the genetic problem even if I disagree with its assumptions. I am open minded and I welcome attempts to prove me wrong. I would welcome a group of whites setting up an all-white community in a place like northwest Mexico where they would be left alone. At least this would be a test of their assumptions and everyone would be able to see the results.

That's interesting, because I also support whites settling sparsely populated lands in backwater regions in third world countries where ZOG has less direct influence as a means of creating independent white ethnostates and reversing the decline of white proportion of the global population (Orania in South Africa and the German settlements in Southern Brazil come to mind).

The problem is that if whites manage to create a successful independent homeland outside of Jewish control, the Jewish elites will probably get the powerful countries they control (such as the US) to start wars against that white homeland. So in order for this to be effective, we'd have to put our efforts into destroying the current dominant system (ZOG) while simultaneously creating independent homelands.

[–]fschmidt 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As you might've noticed, I talk a lot about the Jews in a quite negative manner, but I don't even necessarily hate the Jews as a whole, I just hate most of the Jewish elites because they're the current establishment and responsible for destroying the old white world and bringing about the progressive anti-white hellscape the world is today; ideally, I would want even the Jews to be eventually re-integrated into the broader white community, after we've taken out the malicious and anti-white ones through eugenics, given Jews are still genetically predominantly white.

It sounds like you are considerably less anti-Jewish than I am. Of course I define Jews as an ethnicity, not a race. Jewish religion and Jewish culture are a plague on any society that is stupid enough to let them in. They are fundamentally parasitic and will only harm the native culture in the long run. You miss this because you focus on genetics only. Religion and culture also matter, and in the case of Jews the problem is not genetics but only religion and culture.

I honestly don't see what motivates you to support E. Michael Jones and Varg Vikernes of all people. E. Michael Jones is a Catholic traditionalist, whereas you're not even Christian, and he's strongly against eugenics, whereas you support eugenics. Varg Vikernes is, like you said yourself, a white nationalist, whereas you think race is irrelevant, he (I assume) hates Jews on a biological level whereas you're Jewish, and I don't think he supports eugenics either.

These days almost everyone is 100% bad, so I am shocked whenever I see any good in anyone. I support whatever little goodness I find in anyone. In the case of E. Michael Jones, he supports religion and traditional values, which is good. And he actually supports eugenics in practice without being aware of it because traditional Christianity is fundamentally eugenic (as Edward Dutton explained). In the case of Varg, he supports traditional values and selecting for quality people (good whites, not degenerate whites) which is also effectively eugenic. Varg wants to live with people genetically similar to himself, and I have no problem with that. I don't think Varg hates other races, he just doesn't want to live with them. And that's fine with me since I have no plans to move to Europe.

Regarding eugenics, I have a somewhat unusual view. I don't trust micromanagement and I don't trust human authority to manage eugenics. I admire God's eugenics, otherwise known as evolution. It uses 2 simple selection criteria: survival and reproduction. Selection based on survival is fundamentally eugenic. Select based on reproduction (sexual selection) is variable and often dysgenic for humans (because of Fisherian selection). (For animals, the survival criteria overwhelms sexual selection so this isn't so much of an issue.) Religiously enforced monogamy removes most sexual selection which is why the best human gene pools always developed under this condition.

So I would prefer to take a high level approach like evolution does and just test for some kind of high level fitness. You can read my specific proposal here. Now I will consider how this compares to your selection criteria.

My ideal eugenics program would prohibit the following types of people from reproducing (not necessarily, but if necessary, through forced sterilization): Anyone with a low IQ (below 85-90), anyone with severe mental illness (schizophrenia, borderline, psychopathy, severe autism, etc.), anyone with serious heritable diseases, people who structurally use welfare despite having been offered incentives and opportunities to be productive, violent criminals and problematic drug addicts, malicious elites (both Jewish and non-Jewish), and anyone who's explicitly anti-white, anti-eugenics or is some other type of fanatical woke leftist.

People with low IQ, mental illness, or drug problems are unlikely to be able to play Go well. Welfare types, violent criminals, and other with poor self-discipline will not have the patience to develop Go skills. Leftists of various kinds (anti-white, anti-eugenics, etc.) are unlikely to learn religious scripture and generally wouldn't be interested in joining anyway. Malicious elites is a very complicated topic that I can't really cover here.

My ideal eugenics program would strongly encourage and incentivize the following types of people to have as many children as possible: People with a high IQ, people who are very mentally stable, people who are very socially skilled, men who have the ability to adequately provide for their wives and children, people who are very productive to society, people with special talents (being very creative, being the inventor of groundbreaking technology, being an architect who has designed wonderful buildings, being very good at sports etc.), people who strongly support eugenics, people who are pro-white, people who support healthy traditional family values, people who look attractive, people who are physically strong and healthy.

My selection criteria would select for high IQ, mental stability, self-discipline, and planning ability. This should correlate with being good providers and being productive. I don't select for (or against) social skills, being pro-white, attractiveness, or physical strength. Except for pro-white, sexual selection will naturally select for these things anyway. My criteria of being born of 2 parents in the group selects for traditional families.

I realize that my idea is a long shot, but so is any eugenics idea. Your version requires some kind of government support. My version only requires that a few (maybe 10) of the 8 billion people infesting this world see some merit in my idea.

When I talk about space travel, I'm thinking much more long term than that, assuming the current dominant system has long been destroyed by the time we get to send people to colonize other planets.

Of course I would support space travel then. All kinds of wonderful things come out of good societies.

The problem is that if whites manage to create a successful independent homeland outside of Jewish control, the Jewish elites will probably get the powerful countries they control (such as the US) to start wars against that white homeland. So in order for this to be effective, we'd have to put our efforts into destroying the current dominant system (ZOG) while simultaneously creating independent homelands.

I don't think most people understand what "the great reset" means. The power of the elite comes from their control over the dominant currencies. Right now they can print money to buy control of anything. But these dominant currencies are doomed because of debt and money printing. The elite are fully aware of this, so they are desperately trying to buy control over everything they can as quickly as possible before these currencies fail. This is why they are scrambling to use covid to completely remove all freedoms in the West. They are doing the same outside the West but to lesser extent. When the great reset comes (the dominant currencies fail), the West will resemble the old Soviet Union with the elite firmly in control of the military and police to control the public by force. But most countries outside the West will regain their freedom after the great reset. Without strong currencies, the countries controlled by the elite will be reluctant to invest in foreign wars. So at this point, it will be possible for good countries to arise outside of the West.