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[–]fschmidt[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

SaidIt is not "free-speech" but it is for free-thinking and truth-seeking. I think it's pretty free, but maybe I'm missing something. You want more free-speech than is here. I don't know what you can actually expect other than bad behaviour. Personally, I don't have time to waste on uncreative trolls, with lame senses of humour, and apparently you don't either or you wouldn't have blocked me for whatever tickled your snowflake sensibilities. Yet, ironically you're willing to allow gutter-dwellers in.

Maybe thinking about the difference between capitalism and socialism would make my purpose clearer. SaidIt is like socialism. The SaidIt admins set policy for the whole site, so sub mods don't really own the subs. The site has uniform (site) government mandated standards. What I want is more like capitalism. Sub mods should really own their subs. I should be able to ban morons from /s/nonmorons. I should be able praise God for killing the population of Sodom and Gomorrah. But both of these things are against SaidIt policy, so I can't do them here.

Are there other fundamental reasons why you're bothering to start up with this old code?

Using old code is the path of least resistance. I tried to find someone to develop new code, but this failed.

I too want to hammer out as much as possible in writing (with the community) before I even open our Lemmy forum. This winter I'll be focusing on our Projex.Wiki for any kind of project, organizing resistance, my LeverMind Variety Show, and of course for developing and sharing decentralized forum ideas. Just as Creative Commons has 4 licenses (needs 9 IMO) for content rights, IMO we should co-develop plug-n-play "Forum Codes" that quickly, easily, and clearly define your type of forum. Naturally this would be for quick reference and people could read further in greater detail, and of course the forums using could draft custom amendments for specific details, and help improve the "Forum Codes" with upgraded versions over the years to come.

SaidIt isn't a forum, it is a forum platform. Each sub is a forum. So I am not sure if what you mean here is "forum codes" or "forum platform codes".

Have you considered a community sub-creation process?

No. Whatever SaidIt is doing now seems to work fine.

This is exactly what I want to avoid. I don't want editorializing by the management.

I don't either. Then CLEARLY define their roles and limitations.

This is something I don't have to worry about at the beginning since I will do everything at the beginning. I will worry about this later.

IMO, it would make sense to collaborate with SaidIt before you fork things up.

d3rr controls the code base, so there is no risk of that.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Maybe thinking about the difference between capitalism and socialism would make my purpose clearer. SaidIt is like socialism. The SaidIt admins set policy for the whole site, so sub mods don't really own the subs. The site has uniform (site) government mandated standards. What I want is more like capitalism. Sub mods should really own their subs. I should be able to ban morons from /s/nonmorons. I should be able praise God for killing the population of Sodom and Gomorrah. But both of these things are against SaidIt policy, so I can't do them here.

Now I see. A fair comparison, but it has issues.

Perhaps it's worth examining from another angle. There are a lot of issues with subs. Only 2 votes = weak qualitative data. Lack of metatags. No flags. Etc etc etc.

Another issue is that there are several TYPES of subs. Topical subs, category subs, community subs, commons subs, private subs, genre subs, fan subs, blog subs, bot auto-feed subs (potentially), etc.

It seems to me like you want a cross between a public and private sub as they are on SaidIt - your subjective best of both worlds.

Perhaps you need to create other classes of subs with clear labels so there's no misunderstanding with users and mods and functionality of each sub.

Personally I think of all of SaidIt as a community and the subs as topical places to file specific content. I know others think differently.

Using old code is the path of least resistance. I tried to find someone to develop new code, but this failed.

On the plus side, d3rr was thinking Docker can help SaidIt survive with the outdated Python.

SaidIt isn't a forum, it is a forum platform. Each sub is a forum. So I am not sure if what you mean here is "forum codes" or "forum platform codes".

I was talking about site-wide platform fundamentals (rules, guides, social management systems, etc). (And of course, each feed can add on their own custom addons.) I was talking about creating internet-wide standards for platforms, especially decentralized platforms, for easy navigation and understanding. From deplorables to SJWs, from free-speech to heavily censored, akin to a political compass, but with much more. Even if websites don't officially adopt the standards we can still collectively describe them and communicate clearly among ourselves.

No. Whatever SaidIt is doing now seems to work fine.

Chaotic subs are not fine.

This is something I don't have to worry about at the beginning since I will do everything at the beginning. I will worry about this later.

You literally said, "If this isn't addressed from the beginning, the site will immediately get a bad reputation and will never take off.

I'm getting mixed signals about your free speech and moderation ideas, and what's a priority or not.

IMO, it would make sense to collaborate with SaidIt before you fork things up.

d3rr controls the code base, so there is no risk of that.

Yes. He's a very agreeable and sensible person. It seems to me you should collaborate rather than be lone cowboys. Find someone else and the pardners will become a posse.