The worthless modern Right is nationalist and/or racist

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[–]wary_observer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

By the way, do you think nationalist or racist are necessarily bad things?

[–]fschmidt[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

I should have titled this "The worthless modern Right is only nationalist and/or racist". There is nothing wrong with nationalism or racism as long they aren't one's only values.

In the case of nationalism, it makes sense to be nationalistic if one lives in a good country. The only good country these days that I can think of is Japan, so I don't think anyone besides the Japanese should be nationalistic. Cultural values are still strong in Japan, so that works.

In the case of racism, it only works when tied to religion. Examples include Judaism, some Mennonite groups, and Black Muslims. Right-wing white racism isn't tied to anything which is why it is such a pathetic failure.

[–]wary_observer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Japan has been geographically isolated, and ethnically and racially homogeneous for a long time. As you say, it retains a good culture to this day, when compared to the degenerate West at least. And we also know that Japanese culture remained relatively (to Europe) intact despite very recent and rapid modernization, devastating war, occupation and cultural intrusion by a foreign power.

It seems to me Japan's nationalism is tied to ethnic/cultural identity more than to religion. Religion as such seems like a subtle background element in Japanese culture when compared to the role of Hinduism or the Abrahamic religions in their respective nations. I have never been to Japan, but that is my impression from what I know about Japanese culture.

If I'm correct, this would be an example of culture or race or both being a sufficient basis for national solidarity. It would follow that religion is not always a necessary element in the same. And it would then also follow that a nationalist or racist rightist movement would not necessarily have to be "religionist" to be effective.

So, is the modern right worthless because it is "only" racist/nationalist/not tied to religion? Or is it that, besides lacking religion, it also lacks sufficient racial/national solidarity to be effective?

[–]seyda 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

it only works when tied to religion.

It works when it's tied to nationality. The racism of Eastern Europe has helped save it from mass migration.

[–]wary_observer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Is Eastern Europe more racist than the West? If so, why?

[–]Vng418 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It's the remnant of the communist rule that ironically protected people of the Eastern Bloc from the toxic cultural influence coming from the West. To a lesser degree, it can be observed among Germans from the former DDR, albeit their "cultural delay" is a lot less substantial compared to the countries such as Slovakia or Ukraine. Nowadays, the "cultural vibe" of the major cities in the Eastern Europe is practically indistinguishable from the ones in the Western parts. In the rural parts of the countries, people still seem to preserve some fragments of traditions or conservative attitudes but it's not the kind romanticized portrayal foreigners/non-Europeans often tend to dream of or imagine when it comes to Eastern Europe. People from where I live are generally racist, xenophobic and ethnocentric by default, the hate towards religious or sexual minorities is very apparent, yet - as the model atheists they are - they are fine with women dressing and behaving like sluts, promiscuity and other types of immoral behavior. Tattooed bad boys and primitive scum producing crappy rap videos, social media whores etc. are the leading type of inspiration younger generation of people follows.

[–]covac 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

yet - as the model atheists they are - they are fine with women dressing and behaving like sluts, promiscuity and other types of immoral behavior.

Would you say the people in your country are so firmly entrenched in their atheism, that they wouldn't be receptive to the idea of a return to religious (Christian) faith?

[–]wary_observer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

people still seem to preserve some fragments of traditions... yet - as the model atheists they are - they are fine with women dressing and behaving like sluts, promiscuity and other types of immoral behavior.

Interesting observation. Why do you think they hold on to the other traditions yet are fine with promiscuity?

[–]Vng418 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Religious influence is strongest in remote areas but it has been kept alive by older generations of people mainly. Younger individuals feel the need to relocate to bigger cities (or possibly move abroad) to get better job opportunities, so the influence has been slowly dying off. I believe this is a common scenario in many, if not all, Eastern European countries because economic pressure is still high over here. People might seem to respond to certain types of stimuli such as promiscuity in media better due to relatively homogeneous demographics, which favors such a behavior over, for example, inclusion of diverse racial/ethnic/religious minorities people really have not had a long experience with. So they are the least resistant to what appeals to them the most at the moment but will eventually succumb to the greater array of stimuli sooner or later.

[–]seyda 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Yes. Probably because they are under control of Russia. Western Europe is under control of America, and anti racism is an American export.

[–]wary_observer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Which countries are under control of Russia?

[–]fschmidt[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I haven't been to Eastern Europe recently, but I know that they value culture and religion. I follow Hungary because that is where my family is from. Orban keeps saying that Hungary is a Christian nation, and that is why they don't welcome Muslim immigrants.