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[–]a_man_a_plan_pancake 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (7 children)

Yeah it's fucking hilarious all these know nothing do-gooders jumping on the hydrogen bandwagon. Not to mention all the issues with storage and delivery.

Years ago I got tired of my sister crowing about her fucking Prius and sent her info about the actual carbon foot print to build the car and batteries, as well as on nickel strip mining. She's still mad at me for daring to shake her self satisfied world view.

[–]Chop_Chop 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

all the issues with storage and delivery

And what "issues" are those?

There are >15,000 hydrogen powered forklifts operating now in North America. Haven't heard of any "issues" with storage.

H2 can be made on site or locally, that makes tankers from the middle east obsolete. But you have to know enough about H2 to understand the benefits.

[–]x0x7 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I think he's referring to the fact that it's nearly impossible to store it as a liquid because of the pressures involve and the fact that it likes to leak through almost anything at those pressures. Not being able to store it as a liquid means range isn't going to be good at all. Forklifts are always at the shop, and use a lot less power than a car, or worse, a semi-trailer. Forklifts also use propane. You aren't suggesting that means propane is practical for cars are you.

[–]Chop_Chop 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

it's nearly impossible to store it as a liquid because of the pressures involve

It's maintaining the temperature that is challenging with LH2

Hydrogen got the Apollo missions to the moon and back. You aren't suggesting that, in 2019- 50 years later- H2 cannot be stored? Guess what- we have carbon fibre now. Even better than whatever they used 50 years ago.

Toyota shoots a 50 Calibre bullet at a 700 bar full H2 tank
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVeagFmmwA0

fact that it likes to leak through almost anything at those pressures

Mike Strizki, one of the top H2 pioneers in the world, has stored H2 made from excess solar energy in old propane tanks since around 2005. You can see his system and the tanks in videos at his website - http://hydrogenhouseproject.org

It really doesn't matter what anyone thinks about this matter, China is moving to literally own the entire hydrogen industry as you read this. They can get things done- they are building Hydrogen Cities and Hydrogen Corridors now. China's Father of Battery EV's has called for a pivot to H2.

[–]bobbobbybob[S] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

cryogenic air, now that is a good way to buffer renewable energy.

Something that doesn't naturally burn given the slightest excuse, and that isn't the smallest atom possible.

oh, and

It really doesn't matter what anyone thinks about this matter

is so you.

[–]bobbobbybob[S] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

oh, like the bus that blew up running into a bridge earlier in the year.

[–]thefadd 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And what do you do with the batteries when they complete their life cycle?

[–]bobbobbybob[S] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

The virtuous hate to learn that they are fools.

I know I did when I first woke up to the lie that is western liberal democracy and values