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[–]dcjogger[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Why not set the minimum wage at $1000 per hour and rents at $10 per month? Wealth by decree! Free money!

Everyone knows that the USSR was such a huge success. What could go wrong?

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[–]IamRedBeard 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

This crap thinking right here is the problem. Nobody is asking for what you are saying. What the hell? All people are asking for is a living wage - just like our parents and grandparents did. Retirement at an age you can enjoy it is unreasonable? Statements like this make me think somebody like you is a some shill in a corporate cubicle paid to spread this kind of hyperbolic crap.

You make it sound like a livable wage is completely unreasonable. It just makes no sense.

[–]James_Kuhn3rd 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

A "living wage" set so high destroys entry level positions, especially in places that don't have the wealth of Manhattan where the people not only can afford a 26$ burger, they view it as their charity to keep food on the table for the worker bees.

Our parents and grandparents went to work in factories, over 40 hours of hard work where the pay was enough to support a family.

Our parents didn't go work at McDonald's and feel they were entitled to a wage that affords them the lifestyle they see on IG. If they didn't do factory work, they went to work at the shore store from 7-3, left there for 4 more hours of work at the diner to bring home enough money for their kids to eat, clothes on their back, and pay for night classes so they could get a job that doesn't entail shit work for minimum wage.

Of course this seems strange in a culture where: - you are entitled to high quality healthcare and healthcare research at someone else's expense, - where higher learning is turned into a credentialing program and everyone should be given what they feel they're worth regardless of the work they have or will put in, - where you should be given a "living wage" for flipping burgers, because how the hell are you supposed to feed, house and provide for your kid and afford a yearly iphone, your subscription packages (Netflix, hulu, HBO, twitch, steam, ...). I mean it sucks you have to sacrifice kids shoes so you can watch GoT, Republican and corporate cubicle bastards, forcing your kid into shoes from the salvation army. - where the government should give you weed for the PTSD you suffered from the corporate cubicle shill who fired you because you failed your drug exam or because he didn't understand your marijuana use leads to occasionally being late and they weren't being accommodating..

IT is the new factory job. What's more in many markets you can get a entry level position with just a few certs. Beyond that, many other trade jobs pay very well, a plumber in my area got 120$ a house call and 65$/hour beyond the assessment. But these positions don't have the prestige this generation is obviously entitled to.

You also must be a government brat. The only people of the older generations that retired at an age where they could enjoy it were either entrepreneurs or government workers. Very few government workers should be given an early retirement, but they keep voting themselves one, so I guess it makes sense.

LOCALLY mandated, 15$ an hour minimum wage can be a good thing. In the bay area or Manhattan, really The minimum wage should probably be closer to 20-30. But 15$ an hour kills anything not named Wal-Mart/Best Buy/McDonald's in places like Temecula or Salinas.

The government mandating this at the state/federal level is just politicians picking winners and losers, rewarding their big business friends. This crushes local businesses, small shops, and independent chains. It also kills jobs for kids starting out. Of course the latest psychology today says that children's brains aren't actually fully formed until they're 45, so that may be a good thing.

[–]IamRedBeard 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Bullshit. My dad was a manager for Captain D's back in the 80's. We were able to buy a house, we had a boat, we had a decent car - we got to go on vacations.

Do dont go telling me that restaurant jobs cant provide living wages for families. Once upon a time, they did.

Some of the rest of your statements are just so full of hyperbole it's pointless to dispute. Its like your angry that some - any - poor person anywhere might actually get to live because somebody was kind enough to provide a charity or program that might allow them to get a modicum of health care if they couldn't afford it.

That right there tells us where your heart - or lack of one, is. Its funny that you are complexity okay with corporate bailouts (cause you dont seems to be bitching about that kind of socialism at all) - hell yea, you will bail out Bank of America, but god forbid your neighbor gets a hand up because the factory closed and went overseas.

We can save CEO's when they misspend (and they can get a raise on top of it) But its somehow shameful to help hungry kids get a school lunch or school supplies so that they can learn.

Bullshit. The money is there to pay a living wage. The programs are there - they are just being used to help the wealthy, because, lets face it: We fucking hate the poor in this country and you are only worth something if you can make a dollar for somebody else.

I run my own business, I pay taxes too - they only difference Is hate when my Taxes go to help the wealthy and not the kid down the road get shoes because his mom is dying of cancer, or alcoholism, or any other of a thousand problems that can crush what was once a functional family.

The money is there. There will be an adjustment period because they have held off raising the wage for so long. But then they will adjust, vacuums will be filled, weak companies will die (like Capitalism intended) and other companies will fill the hole they left and people with living wages will spend their extra money that they now have and stimulate the economy and life will go on. Only it will go on better for people at the bottom - and maybe there will be less social programs because people wont need them as much because TA DAA - they have a living wage.