Minimum Wage Hikes Are Wiping Out Jobs

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[–]dcjogger[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Why not set the minimum wage at $1000 per hour and rents at $10 per month? Wealth by decree! Free money!

Everyone knows that the USSR was such a huge success. What could go wrong?

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[–]IamRedBeard 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

This crap thinking right here is the problem. Nobody is asking for what you are saying. What the hell? All people are asking for is a living wage - just like our parents and grandparents did. Retirement at an age you can enjoy it is unreasonable? Statements like this make me think somebody like you is a some shill in a corporate cubicle paid to spread this kind of hyperbolic crap.

You make it sound like a livable wage is completely unreasonable. It just makes no sense.

[–]Drizzt 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

do you even economics, bro?

[–]James_Kuhn3rd 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

A "living wage" set so high destroys entry level positions, especially in places that don't have the wealth of Manhattan where the people not only can afford a 26$ burger, they view it as their charity to keep food on the table for the worker bees.

Our parents and grandparents went to work in factories, over 40 hours of hard work where the pay was enough to support a family.

Our parents didn't go work at McDonald's and feel they were entitled to a wage that affords them the lifestyle they see on IG. If they didn't do factory work, they went to work at the shore store from 7-3, left there for 4 more hours of work at the diner to bring home enough money for their kids to eat, clothes on their back, and pay for night classes so they could get a job that doesn't entail shit work for minimum wage.

Of course this seems strange in a culture where: - you are entitled to high quality healthcare and healthcare research at someone else's expense, - where higher learning is turned into a credentialing program and everyone should be given what they feel they're worth regardless of the work they have or will put in, - where you should be given a "living wage" for flipping burgers, because how the hell are you supposed to feed, house and provide for your kid and afford a yearly iphone, your subscription packages (Netflix, hulu, HBO, twitch, steam, ...). I mean it sucks you have to sacrifice kids shoes so you can watch GoT, Republican and corporate cubicle bastards, forcing your kid into shoes from the salvation army. - where the government should give you weed for the PTSD you suffered from the corporate cubicle shill who fired you because you failed your drug exam or because he didn't understand your marijuana use leads to occasionally being late and they weren't being accommodating..

IT is the new factory job. What's more in many markets you can get a entry level position with just a few certs. Beyond that, many other trade jobs pay very well, a plumber in my area got 120$ a house call and 65$/hour beyond the assessment. But these positions don't have the prestige this generation is obviously entitled to.

You also must be a government brat. The only people of the older generations that retired at an age where they could enjoy it were either entrepreneurs or government workers. Very few government workers should be given an early retirement, but they keep voting themselves one, so I guess it makes sense.

LOCALLY mandated, 15$ an hour minimum wage can be a good thing. In the bay area or Manhattan, really The minimum wage should probably be closer to 20-30. But 15$ an hour kills anything not named Wal-Mart/Best Buy/McDonald's in places like Temecula or Salinas.

The government mandating this at the state/federal level is just politicians picking winners and losers, rewarding their big business friends. This crushes local businesses, small shops, and independent chains. It also kills jobs for kids starting out. Of course the latest psychology today says that children's brains aren't actually fully formed until they're 45, so that may be a good thing.

[–]IamRedBeard 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Bullshit. My dad was a manager for Captain D's back in the 80's. We were able to buy a house, we had a boat, we had a decent car - we got to go on vacations.

Do dont go telling me that restaurant jobs cant provide living wages for families. Once upon a time, they did.

Some of the rest of your statements are just so full of hyperbole it's pointless to dispute. Its like your angry that some - any - poor person anywhere might actually get to live because somebody was kind enough to provide a charity or program that might allow them to get a modicum of health care if they couldn't afford it.

That right there tells us where your heart - or lack of one, is. Its funny that you are complexity okay with corporate bailouts (cause you dont seems to be bitching about that kind of socialism at all) - hell yea, you will bail out Bank of America, but god forbid your neighbor gets a hand up because the factory closed and went overseas.

We can save CEO's when they misspend (and they can get a raise on top of it) But its somehow shameful to help hungry kids get a school lunch or school supplies so that they can learn.

Bullshit. The money is there to pay a living wage. The programs are there - they are just being used to help the wealthy, because, lets face it: We fucking hate the poor in this country and you are only worth something if you can make a dollar for somebody else.

I run my own business, I pay taxes too - they only difference Is hate when my Taxes go to help the wealthy and not the kid down the road get shoes because his mom is dying of cancer, or alcoholism, or any other of a thousand problems that can crush what was once a functional family.

The money is there. There will be an adjustment period because they have held off raising the wage for so long. But then they will adjust, vacuums will be filled, weak companies will die (like Capitalism intended) and other companies will fill the hole they left and people with living wages will spend their extra money that they now have and stimulate the economy and life will go on. Only it will go on better for people at the bottom - and maybe there will be less social programs because people wont need them as much because TA DAA - they have a living wage.

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This is a no brainer, minimum wage laws have the effect of saying everyone under an artificial quality/productivity level is unemployable.

Minimum wage jobs are so simple nearly anyone on earth can do them. They require a 70 IQ, working limbs, and marginal conscientiousness. It's how and why manufacturing has been moving around the world chasing cheap labor. The industries that offer minimum wage jobs that aren't capable of relocating are discretionary spending, not necessities. So, if they raise their prices volume goes down by a huge amount, and all of the employees that don't work their asses off are let go.

The end result of "higher minimum wage" is not only less jobs but also reduced choice for people that could have consumed additional services and products if the artificially boosted prices didn't eliminate the possibility. The only people who win with minimum wage laws are giant corporations that can use them to drive local and regional competition out of business.

[–]EndlessSunflowers 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Have any of these geniuses looked at price hikes in comparison?
What good is a minimum wage if no one can afford to live on it?
Just because asshole bosses can't get dirt cheap labor anymore doesn't mean that anyone is worth starvation wages. Greed is destroying lives and these shallow capitalists are deaf dumb and blind to it.
This is just the beginning. Everything is about to change! Hold on!

[–]FormosaOolong 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, so many things needed to be considered in our accountings, including quality of life for both people and he planet.

[–]dcjogger[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Government laws lead to more crime. If only murder and theft were illegal, obeying the law would be easy, but no one respects the law when everything is illegal.

Most of the problems of today would be solved by embracing what worked in the past.

People were born in the past without birth certificates.

People could travel without passports.

People can learn how to drive without driver licenses.

Business that don’t have business licenses will go bankrupt if they provide bad service.

People won’t starve if they don’t have food stamps.

People can find cheap doctors in the world without Obamacare.

People won’t have a vested interest in driving dangerously if there are no liability insurance laws.

Would crime rise if everything was legal?

Why do you need the government? Can’t you talk to people who bother you? Could you sue someone? Could you just move away?

Think.

A free country that went to war with a evil dictatorship should not become a police state. Thieves cannot take the moral high ground and criticize robbers.

The USA is an immoral bankrupt warmongering police state now.

Americans have learned nothing from history.

Americans have no rights anymore and the US is no longer a democracy.

Americans think every problem should be solved by decree and force now, but every solution causes another problem.

Americans think the government is made up of holy men. Americans think anyone becomes a saint when they wear a costume, badge, and a gun.

The solution for problems should be what worked in the past.

Americans say that rent control should be used to reduce high rents instead of reducing regulations.

When regulations lead to a bad economy, Americans think that the homeless to should be put in jail and businesses should be given bailouts.

Instead of allowing people to feed the homeless, Americans think feeding the homeless should be outlawed.

Instead of getting rid of welfare that encourages girls to marry the state instead of a man and leads to broken families, Americans think food stamps should be expanded.

Instead of getting rid of minimum wages that cripple the ability of the USA to compete on the world market, Americans think the US should increase the minimum wage and start a trade war by enacting tariffs.

When food stamps lead to increased debt, Americans think that taxes should be raised.

Americans think the only way to attend college is to have student loans, but student loans raise the cost of tuition.

Instead of ending wars that lead to terrorism, tyranny, debt, and refugees, Americans think that the wars should be increased.

China used to encourage people to have kids, but after China became overpopulated, China had an one-child policy.

The USA is supposed to be a free country. The reason the Americans fought the British was because Americans wanted to be free.

When our overlords make a decree, they always sell it as a minor temporary law that only affects Muslims, junkies, sex offenders, homosexuals, illegal immigrants, or blacks. The 1% doesn’t mention that the law will become permanent and more draconian.

No one cares if owning cows are illegal, yoga pants are illegal, teen driving is illegal, or smoking is illegal. The problem is what happens when your job is banned, the government steals your house, tortures your family, or sends you to the concentration camps.

Are you just going to take it?

The elites are trying today to make Americans dependent children by outlawing everything and giving them food stamps. Once Americans are weakened and the US Ponzi economy implodes, the ruling class will then send the 99% off to the gulags to be starved and killed.

Governments are not kind. Governments have killed millions of people in Nazi concentration camps, Soviet gulags, the Chinese Great Leap Forward, and the Cambodian killing fields.

Liberty is not something that only benefits other people, but not you. Freedom benefits everyone.

Tyranny is not something that only punishes other people, but not you. Tyranny punishes everyone.

Freedom is good.

Tyranny is bad.

This is no joke.

History repeats and the signs are everywhere.

Anyone who supports the government is just a tool of the elites.

Wake up.

[–]dcjogger[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wow.

Americans have gone stark-raving mad.

Nazis and Communists scream Libertarians care about trifling issues, but Libertarians aren't the ones who who want to regulate teakwood.

Americans insist owning zebras must be illegal because zebras will go extinct, but people now own cats and dogs. Do pet owners have a vested interest in killing their own cats and dogs?

Americans are so retarded today that they say shoes are made by the government.

Americans scream anyone who supports freedom is not a Libertarian.

Americans say all laws must be obeyed even though the government and illegal aliens don't obey the law.

Americans scream being forced to stand for the national anthem means freedom.

Americans want to vote for a dictator because the other candidate is a tyrant.

Americans insist drugs should be outlawed to stop shootings instead of being allowed to carry guns to protect yourself.

Americans scream a wall should be built to keep illegal immigrants from getting food stamps instead of ending welfare.

Americans say a trade war should be started that will kill the economy, raise prices, and increase tariffs that will fund wars, debt, and tyranny.

Americans swear that you are exploited and forced to work for low wages and buy products because businesses don't give you a choice.

Americans scream that the US debt could be paid off if the government confiscated all of the property owned by Trump.

Americans insist higher minimum wages will end illegal immigration.

Americans have become so batshit insane now that they insist anyone wearing a costume, badge, and a gun is a holy god, but do the Gestapo ever make mistakes?

Why should anyone care if you own guns, use prostitutes, go to church, or smoke?

Have Americans ever read a history book before?

Americans have become such pussified snowflakes now that they beg their beloved government overlords to protect them from scary illegal immigrants and guns.

The USA had open borders before, why not now? Do you really think that the US never had black people before today?

If banning guns will stop people from shooting others, will outlawing murder stop homicides?

The government regulates airlines, but do airplanes still crash?

Americans are simply unable to understand that decrees have unintended consequences.

China used to say all birds must be killed, but then insects multiplied and lead to starvation.

China used to say that the population must grow, but population growth lead to a one child policy. Now China doesn't have enough young people and the sex ratio is lopsided because boys outnumber girls.

Americans start wars and are then stunned that there are refugees, terrorism, tyranny, and debt.

The US bans business and then Americans are shocked when homelessness increases.

The US starts a trade war and then Americans do not have the mental capacity to realize why no one buys US exports and prices soar.

Americans say coffee must be banned because it is dangerous, but what if an expert wrote a study saying coffee is safe?

Could there possibly be any other way to other way to help the environment besides arresting users of straws?

Americans scream seatbelts must be mandatory because accidents raise insurance costs, but if insurance rates are so important then why not ban skydiving, rope, swimming pools, and ladders, too?

Americans insist that the USSR was a stunning success.

Do Americans who hate freedom feel like traitors?