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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

they siad"Shoot back"your sure you where not High on Drugs or forgot medication e.g.?...if your right, well thats what you get when your allowed to OWN and cary guns, if thats wasnt allowed the 911 could not have say that 😄... i hope. But thats a heavy situation you had dude, i think you handled it very cool, its always different when it happends in real life-compare to some target practise. i can understand why people cary/have weapons in the USA, but its also like when 1 person is allowed to have weapons EVERY1 will have weapons,so if it was NOT allowed for ANY1 most people would not have a weapon,MOSTMOST certainly would not cary/walk arround with 1 like its normall,but thats my oppinion. but thanks for your story aldo i wander what it has to do with Cops on duty who try to have a cop of coffee? lol but you also say that do.......i am curious about WHY would some1 become a cop, often its people who do so because their father was- like some1 who's father is a fisherman will prob become a fishermen and not a cop. I dont think all the cops are the same, their must be some who do this work because they want to help people or livfe in a save community, but their must be cops who do this because they like the excitement- and that can be dangerous- when i see cops who arrest people with drugsneedles or who are so drunk they vomit on you or have filty decieses or who want to die....i think fuck those people why would i want to be in contact with them/risk myself for people who dont give a fack themself... no NO cop job for me...(ps pardon for any wrong grammar. i just got out of bed...and im not English) peace..........ps 20 minutes later? and they say "WHATS THE EMERGENCY"?..........please hold..please hold...your the 8th person in line...please hold there are 7 people for you...please hold

[–]HeyImSancho 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Hi XYY,

My only point in sharing the stories, was my own personal statement as to what I've experienced.

I live out west, not coastal west, but inland, the area has a reputation for outlaws, thugs, and dregs.

In regards to the first call so many years ago, the gun fire occurred, we called 911, their question was, 'is it still happening'. The answer was no, it happened just before we called. They said, 'then it's not an emergency', and we'll have an officer contact you to take a report when given time. "Take a number" was the clear message. We asked, what are we supposed to do if they're still around, that's when we got the 'shoot back' bullshit.

As far as 'armed', or 'weapons', I don't blame guns, I blame low IQ, and lazy people who unfortunately know cops aren't what the general public think they're for. I've lived in 'gun free' countries, where there are a lot of poor farmers; they carry machetes, and in those countries, machetes are used in assaults; those, and knives.

Guns will never go away, they simply exist, and are a tool; just as a machete, or even large trucks used to mow people down; I guess, even acid, as it has a real purpose, but is used to maim, and disfigure others.

You cannot get away from violence, it's just part of existence.

I mention all of this, as in the USA, we're fed a constant stream that the police provide some sort of 'god-like', 'selfless' service. This just isn't the case.

They always operate not off the Criminal Code of their jurisdiction, but also internal operating procedures; this 'second set of books', is what they use to basically trump up charges on someone. Take the concept of 'loitering', you see these 'no loitering' signs everywhere in America, basically, 'don't stand here, or we'll call the cops'.

Well, you don't get charged, or arrested for loitering by itself. They, the police, using their second set of books, will charge you with "Loitering, and PROWLING".

So, and you can look this up, there have been people, to be safe, have pulled off into a closed commercial parking lot at night, trying to figure out where they're at(lost), and cops show up. They not only get charged with loitering, but to insure the ticket 'sticks', adds the prowling on top of that. If you go look up prowling, it's very very very very very bad, and basically is that you've been 'casing', or been caught in the act of 'Surveillance for the future use of robbery'.

That's not fair, that's not justice, that's the act of a road pirate. Remember, the original pirates were ordained under the British Crown; Black Beard would be proud!

As to the night of my issue, the deputy literally told me, that 'he had another call that he must handle first, I asked what, as I thought 'wtf'. He said, he was 'assisting another officer on a DUI'(this was after he said he'd be out, and never came, 3 hours later). The funny thing with this, is the guy that drove off from my place was drunk, stoned, and apparently armed. The state I live in, I can personally with the assistance of an officer, write a citizens ticket; which does hold up in court.

The basic issue, is we live in the mountains, they don't like coming out here, and actually in many places, they won't go alone.

From there, we've got modern day incidences, like the resource officer at the Parkland shooting; he didn't offer aid, he ran for cover, and hid.

My point to all of this, I can comprehend many people disliking police. I'm not sure that I would ever call them again myself. I know the pieces of shit that I had the run in, are beyond petty, and dangerous, and even with audio recording, I got nothing from the police, or county.

So while the Starbucks thing is silly, and I agree fully it is, my only point is, cops aren't saints, and yes, many people have good reason for not liking them.

Having that said, I actually appreciate people like you, who as I assume a regular joe, common person, do like them. I actually thank you for writing positive things about them, I thank people who thank military personal for their wars of conquest, I mean 'freedom'.

The reason being, I think they're all dangerous, but to treat a dangerous person, or group with only spite, and you'll end up with rabid dogs. So in my eyes, by thanking them, I do believe it humanizes, and humbles them as a 'whole'. And yes, I do realize there are good people in the mix, but like any industry, the majority of people simply aren't that good at their jobs by way of iq, genetics, upbringing, or who knows what; they gotta be handled with kid gloves.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

you know better then me , i dont live in the US and i seen a lot of crap stuf about police/sherrifs who locked up people just because they diddent like them or stuff, so yeh im just happy not to live in the USA,i do see some positive stuf on programms like "Body cam"or Live PD"or something, but i bet they take out any wrong police acting stuff and dont show that on those programms

[–]HeyImSancho 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think all I was trying to point out, is we all are just human, and all prone to error. I've lived in other countries, and have paid bribes where it was simply the normal, or customary thing to do.

Overall, I'm convinced most countries are corrupt; perhaps simply by way of human nature, fractional reserve banking, and greed.

[–]IamRedBeard 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

If you dont live in the US then why do you talk like you do? You dont have a horse in this race why are you butting in like you got a dime on it?

Why do you feel the need to comment on things you know little about?

I bet you are the kind of guy that always has a better story than everybody else at a party.

Pro advice: Go talk in forums where you know about what is going on instead of showing your ass in places that you dont.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

so i cant say i think its silly thats cops got kicked out and can drink cop of coffee because i dont live in USA? and i seen a lot of documentaries and reality/life tv ,i prob know more then some redneck idiots.........and first all is good and now you know im not from USA i must fuck of...i only said what i think about it, never said it is this or that......wtf is wrong with you americans think USA is the world and your better then the rest of the world , you think we dont have cops ,you think i dont know what a gun is you think i cant understand what its like just because it diddent happend to me?...and pro advice MY ASS i comment where ever i want YOU dont decide that

[–]IamRedBeard 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Then you can keep talking about shit you know nothing about. Just Bloviating like some village idiot

Its funny how not long ago the rest of the world couldn't wait to come here. couldn't wait to BE US. And now that we are going through some growing pains as a young country you want to throw shade. Take advantage while we are up and Kick us when we are down. No wonder my nation is getting more Xenophobic.

I can see your Envy. This isn't the first time I've seen you say that your glad your not American. Well for somebody that doesn't want to be one of us you sure like to put in your two cents about us.

So you've seen some documentaries? OH IM SORRY. You are correct - you know WAY more about things that are going on than Those Of Us Who LIVE here. My bad, dogg. Because Documentaries NEVR miss-inform or have a skewed perspective.

SO no I cant tell you where to go or where to comment but you know nothing and just sound like a:

JACK ASS

The Arrogance of those of you who think you are better than us because you dont live here and you act like you know what's going on and that your countries dont have huge piles of shit in your own back yard.

You have Garbage humans where you live. You have shit politicians where you live. You have financial issues where you live.

Get off your high horse and go fuck it.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

i dont uderstand why you see things as USA against the rest of the world, we live on 1 Planet and should live like that. I KNOW i dont want to live in the USA, its a beautifull country but the LAWS and other crap...NOW WAY.....and WTF i wasnt even responding to YOU, why the fack do you intervene..., and if you react to me i can react to you, thats how it works in the real life, you cant react to me and then say i cant react to you because you are from the USA and im not...and i never say im better then any1 else American or other, you say i said that, but thats how you people talk, puting words into others mouth and thought inot others brains Typical Trump stuff...and i dont have a horse...bet you have 1...maybe a small pony..dick high

[–]IamRedBeard 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You leave my pony outta this!

Here is the thing, man. And this is honestly what we have going on. They are Militarizing our Police force. Cops are becoming more about getting the numbers and at just about any cost. They heave been caught forcing a crime to fit an individual who was not guilty - especially if they are of color.

Our police have become less "Officer Friendly" and more "Commandant McShithead". There is almost no way to disgrace the uniform these days. Bad cops can go from one Precinct to another to another and just keep doing dirty shit.

Is this a good time to live in America? No. No it isn't. Unless you are a white guy like me - I mean, I gotta say for me right now I can do almost no wrong. But for people below the poverty line that have no trade, people who are sick, people who might be just the slightest shade of brown, you know - 45% of the nation. Yea it is not good.

The only choice is to leave or keep fighting. If you leave things cant get better here, because there will be nobody to fight the bullshit.

Then we've got the rest of the world that lumps all Americans into one bucket and stereotypes us with the loudest most obnoxious 1/3 of our population. Your Nationalist bullshit and prejudice just sound more like the same shit we are fighting against here. And you want to butt in like you know something. I mean - I wouldn't even try to comment on the local politics of wherever you are from - because I dont know the fine details that the News and "Documentaries" just cant cover.

So you come here with your limited knowledge talking like you know something along with your prejudices, The comparison is like a grade schooler trying to compare notes with College Sophomores. Your Documentaries cant compare with real world experience.

I suggest you get a visa and come live here six months and get some real world experience. See how you like our Police force these days. See what Real Americans are like. You got an accent? Hell you might leave here with a couple girlfriends. You could have the same Love/Hate relationship with our nation we do. AND you would have a leg to stand on when ShitPosting about the good ol USA.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

i think if i dont react on post like "police oficers kickt out of Starbucks" i wouldnt have these confersation, so for me its a way to hear/learn from people who live there whats going on, and it seems the Police issue is a very Emotional issue and it seems i have to be carefull with what i say, because every time i react on a police post i get a angry police hater, and i can undertsand it from USA pov. but sorry im not in that state of mind, so you try to understand that when i react i do so from my pov, maybe thats wrong and i will concider to be more thoughtfull about it, its also because i see bad and good police programms on tv like "Live PD"on that tv programm i havent seen bad shit, so imo there not only bad cops, but i can understand that if you been truogh some corrupt/asshole copshit you will not trust any cop anymore, but to say i "butt in like i KNOW"thats crap man, i diddent say that/or mean it that way,reacting to stuff that not happening in your world and then get reactions back is only a way to get a better picture, so if i dont react i prob. will never really know whats going on ore real because i have to make my conclusions from TV, i just thought its strange that some1 is denied to a shop, dosnt matter if its a cop or firemen or black dude etc. Thats discrimination imo, if some shop in my place said your not welcome because that other person is uncomfertable with yeh, well thats his problem and noway i gonne let me push out, the stuf you say about black people- i did see on documentaries, so saying documentaries are not usefull is not true, and if some stuf is a lie when oke then say so, but if i cant react then ill never know whats really going on, and again if i react dosnt mean i say "I KNOW ITS LIKE THIS AND THAT" i never said/ or meant that, think thats just your interpretation

[–]IamRedBeard 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I was an ass about my initial reaction. I wish I had been in a better mood and I would have stated it better and not come off as such a Redneck.

Loving the land you were born in and hating what it is becoming is a hard damn thing. And I find I have to take a break from Politics sometimes for a day or two or I'm wound up. When you read things like how a Mom calls 911 because her troubled, special needs kid is feeling suicidal - and the cops end up killing him - And nobody pays.

And this happens on the daily.

If you have any kind of heart it makes you want to cry. Police dont help. They Fine, they incarcerate, they inflate charges and once you get in the system - you are always in the system. You can get fines, that keep getting fines and they make them hard to pay off on purpose. A two hundred dollar ticket actually has no limit on how much you will pay. If you are late or have to put off the fine they tack on more fees etc. So a simple ticket and fine, if you are young or broke, is never just a simple ticket and fine.

So we dont get "protect and serve" We get "Law Enforcement"

Except for the few Hero's that actually came on to save lives - But I'd say those are one in ten.

I'm glad if you have it better.

[–]Aetherist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"#bootlicker"