It's Now Illegal to Declaw a Cat in Denver

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[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Good.

[–]dcjogger[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Does anyone get the feeling that anyone supporting the police state now is a paid NSA shill?

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-operation-social-networks

[–]poestal 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

over declawing cats? idk what kind of route your taking on the subject of declawing cats.

[–]dcjogger[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Government laws lead to more crime. If only murder and theft were illegal, obeying the law would be easy, but no one respects the law when everything is illegal.

Most of the problems of today would be solved by embracing what worked in the past.

People were born in the past without birth certificates.

People could travel without passports.

People can learn how to drive without driver licenses.

Business that don’t have business licenses will go bankrupt if they provide bad service.

People won’t starve if they don’t have food stamps.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/great-depression-had-little-effect-on-death-rates-46713514/

People can find cheap doctors in the world without Obamacare.

https://www.insider.com/medical-tourism-americans-save-money-healthcare-2018-6

People won’t have a vested interest in driving dangerously if there are no liability insurance laws.

Would crime rise if everything was legal?

Why do you need the government? Can’t you talk to people who bother you? Could you sue someone? Could you just move away?

Think.

A free country that went to war with a evil dictatorship should not become a police state. Thieves cannot take the moral high ground and criticize robbers.

The USA is an immoral bankrupt warmongering police state now.

Americans have learned nothing from history.

Americans have no rights anymore and the US is no longer a democracy.

Americans think every problem should be solved by decree and force now, but every solution causes another problem.

Americans think the government is made up of holy men. Americans think anyone becomes a saint when they wear a costume, badge, and a gun.

The solution for problems should be what worked in the past.

Americans say that rent control should be used to reduce high rents instead of reducing regulations.

When regulations lead to a bad economy, Americans think that the homeless to should be put in jail and businesses should be given bailouts.

Instead of allowing people to feed the homeless, Americans think feeding the homeless should be outlawed.

Instead of getting rid of welfare that encourages girls to marry the state instead of a man and leads to broken families, Americans think food stamps should be expanded.

Instead of getting rid of minimum wages that cripple the ability of the USA to compete on the world market, Americans think the US should increase the minimum wage and start a trade war by enacting tariffs.

When food stamps lead to increased debt, Americans think that taxes should be raised.

Americans think the only way to attend college is to have student loans, but student loans raise the cost of tuition.

Instead of ending wars that lead to terrorism, tyranny, debt, and refugees, Americans think that the wars should be increased.

China used to encourage people to have kids, but after China became overpopulated, China had an one-child policy.

The USA is supposed to be a free country. The reason the Americans fought the British was because Americans wanted to be free.

When our overlords make a decree, they always sell it as a minor temporary law that only affects Muslims, junkies, sex offenders, homosexuals, illegal immigrants, or blacks. The 1% doesn’t mention that the law will become permanent and more draconian.

No one cares if owning cows are illegal, yoga pants are illegal, teen driving is illegal, or smoking is illegal. The problem is what happens when your job is banned, the government steals your house, tortures your family, or sends you to the concentration camps.

Are you just going to take it?

The elites are trying today to make Americans dependent children by outlawing everything and giving them food stamps. Once Americans are weakened and the US Ponzi economy implodes, the ruling class will then send the 99% off to the gulags to be starved and killed.

Governments are not kind. Governments have killed millions of people in Nazi concentration camps, Soviet gulags, the Chinese Great Leap Forward, and the Cambodian killing fields.

Liberty is not something that only benefits other people, but not you. Freedom benefits everyone.

Tyranny is not something that only punishes other people, but not you. Tyranny punishes everyone.

Freedom is good.

Tyranny is bad.

This is no joke.

History repeats and the signs are everywhere.

Anyone who supports the government is just a tool of the elites.

Wake up.

https://sportschan.org/s/index.html

[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You've made a lot of assertions, and you haven't backed them all up, and not all of them are right. I'm just going to pick a few, and ask you to back them up. (There are 4 (FOUR) things to respond to in this comment; don't think I won't notice if you avoid one or two.)

People won’t starve if they don’t have food stamps.

I understand that with organic support systems, many people would survive. Perhaps the situation would even be better if the US government hadn't introduced this measure. But we're not talking about then – and even then, people still starved.

Please provide some sort of evidence that suggests that removing / significantly reducing food stamps in the US wouldn't increase starvation.

People can find cheap doctors in the world without Obamacare.

I'd like evidence that people under Obamacare can afford to travel the world looking for good, cheap healthcare – or else clarification because I don't see why anyone would even try to make the argument I think I'm reading here.

The solution for problems should be what worked in the past.

This is an interesting argument. The classic rejoinder is "but things have changed so those solutions to these problems won't work", which is incredibly weak and I pride myself on being more creative than that. So¸ my response is: "Why do you think we have the same problems?"

Also: how does this have anything to do with declawing cats?

[–]dcjogger[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/great-depression-had-little-effect-on-death-rates-46713514/

https://www.insider.com/medical-tourism-americans-save-money-healthcare-2018-6

Americans are so enslaved that they think government agents are holy gods, but since the elites and the government are the same now, asking for government protection from businesses is like asking a thief to watch your house when you go on vacation.

FAA regulates airlines, but airplanes still fail.

SEC regulates stockbrokers, but markets still crash.

FDA regulates drugs, but drugs are still dangerous.

EPA regulates the environment, but the EPA pollutes.

The USSR was a Socialist utopia, but the Soviet Union was polluted.

Maybe the real reason there are food stamps now is because food and banking corporations lobby for them.

Maybe the real reason tax filing is so difficult is that tax preparation corporations lobby for complicated tax forms.

Maybe the real reason there are laws against ridesharing is because taxi cab companies lobby for regulations against competition.

Maybe the real reason there are mandatory vaccine laws now is because pharmaceutical corporations lobby for them.

Maybe the real reason the US is a police state now is because private prison corporations lobby for it.

Maybe the real reason the US is a warmonger now is because defense corporations lobby for wars.

Maybe the real reason there are mandatory health and auto insurance laws now is because insurance companies lobby for them.

Maybe the real reason there are bailouts and subsidies is because corporations lobby for them.

Maybe the real reason there are government student loans and grants now is because colleges lobby for them.

The government takes away your freedom, but won’t protect you.

The way to deal with danger today is to do what worked in the past.

Government needs to be small and people need to take personal responsibility and embrace freedom.

Being dangerous is not in the best of companies.

The big difference between private business and tyranny is that you can boycott the free market, but the government forces you at gunpoint to do something or not do something.

Look not to the politicians; look to yourselves.

Liberty is always dangerous, but it is the safest thing we have.

What do we need government for anyway?

Everything the free market does is better than what government does.

Would you rather graduate from Harvard or the University of New Mexico? Would you rather own a Yugo or a BMW?

If a private association like the MPAA can regulate movies, why can’t the private market regulate other things?

When the TSA fingers your asshole and pulls your cock, is the real purpose to protect you or to make you feel like a degraded slave?

When people smoke now, people just call the police on them, but people in the past either took some personal responsibility and ignored smokers, moved away from smokers, or asked smokers to go somewhere else. The problem with a police state is everyone now is either or a slave or a criminal. Who pays the taxes to pay for tyranny?

If smoking is dangerous, can’t nonprofits raise funds to pay for educational campaigns that warn of the dangers of smoking instead of outlawing smoking?

Can’t people use the BBB to verify if a business is good or not instead of forcing companies to pay fees to get a government business license?

Can’t private charities funded by volunteer donations provide homeless shelters and soup kitchens instead of being at forced at the point of a gun by the government to pay taxes that fund welfare?

Can’t people use guns to protect themselves instead of relying on the Gestapo?

Can’t neighbourhoods hire private security firms to protect their homes?

Can’t the free market provide toll roads?

Can’t the free market provide private airports?

Can’t the free market provide private schools?

Can’t the free market provide disaster relief instead of FEMA?

Can’t the free market run delivery services instead of the USPS?

Can’t the free market run railroads instead of Amtrack?

Think.

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Another one! You posted a thread about declawing cats; surely "real reasons" and "free markets" aren't too relevant here? Despite your sentiment being shared by many on this site, none have voted it insightful here.

Although, now that I'm here… People disagreeing with you isn't necessarily due to a lack of thinking on their part. (I learned that the moderately difficult way, and now you can learn it the easy way by reading a comment.) Ending your comments in "Think." or "Wake up." isn't going to drive your point home; it's going to drive away your target audience.

And, to answer your questions in order:

  • A solution to the prisoner's dilemma.
  • Neither.
  • Neither.
  • Numerous reasons, including monopolies resulting from "unions of companies" – unless by the "private market" you mean the "free market", in which case the existence of private associations like the MPAA is a counterargument in itself. (There are, of course, arguments for both sides and arguments questioning the validity of the question itself; I'm merely answering the question posed.)
  • Either taxpayers or nobody, depending on how you define "tyranny".
  • It depends on how effective their fundraising is and how willing people are to pay for these campaigns. So far, they've proven less willing than people are to pay the taxes required to support such campaigns, but there's insufficient evidence to draw a strong conclusion. I'm reasonably sure of this, though: when smoking was hip and cigarette manufacturers could pay for advertising, few would've been able to get the money to run a campaign to convince people to pay for a campaign to convince people to stop smoking.
  • Quite possibly.
  • Yes, but there'd be less money available to them; people are less willing to donate to charity than pay taxes. Quite possibly it would be spent better and so more value would be available for welfare; there are legitimate arguments for what you espouse in this rhetorical question.
  • False dichotomy. In most countries, people don't need guns to defend themselves from guns because nobody's shooting people with guns in the first place.
  • In theory. But who's a "neighbourhood"? Oh, a group of people living close to each other who get together to pay for a particular thing? Now, what if I don't pay? We'll still have enough to pay for the security, if everyone chips in an extra few ¢s. Now what if the next person doesn't pay? In fact, what's the incentive for anyone to pay? Prisoner's dilemma strikes again, and the government is the particular solution that's currently in use.
  • No; there's a monopoly on many, many roads, and no matter what price was put on those roads people'd have to pay it because there's insufficient public transport in the US and people need to travel vast distances daily to earn a living.
  • No; there's a monopoly on airports.
  • Yes, but that tends to result in only the rich having access to education, which isn't what anybody wants. (Except maybe the rich.) This is what used to be the case in much of Europe for a good few centuries, and it didn't work great; I can't remember when the US got state schools.
  • No. That isn't what the free market is. How would this even work, and how would it remotely resemble in the slightest way a free market?
  • Yes.
  • No; monopoly, so not a free market.

[–]dcjogger[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wow.

Everything is fake and a lie today.

Americans must do mental gymnastics to justify their lives.

The US is collapsing. The world has turned upside down.

Americans used to love freedom and fight Nazis and Commies, but have now become Nazis and Commies.

The elites are importing vastly different Muslims and Mexicans while telling the feminists, homosexuals, blacks, and whites to be a big, happy family.

One problem with a diversity is that you end up with a police state because diverse countries must keep the peace by banning everything. The USA didn't use to need to ban hookah bars because Americans don't go to hookah bars. The US didn't use to need to outlaw flying lanterns because Americans don't use flying lanterns. The US didn't use to need to ban eating dog meat because Americans don't eat dogs. The US didn't use to need to ban female circumcision because Americans don't circumcise girls. Americans didn't use to need to outlaw hijabs because Americans don't wear hjabs.

Americans cannot see hypocrisy, are completely ignorant of history, and don't realize the effects of unintended consequences and decrees.

There was a time when there were no passports or driver licenses and people survived just fine.

Driver licenses used to have just a name, but then birthdates, gender, and photos were required.

Now fingerprints are needed to get a license.

One problem with outlawing everything is that you must have so many loopholes to live that tyranny becomes useless and makes the laws pointless and ineffective.

Licenses now can list any age, race, or gender you want. You can be any religion you want.

http://www.abc-7.com/story/39443942/69-year-old-dutchman-starts-legal-bid-to-become-20-years-younger

https://nypost.com/2018/11/08/colorado-to-adopt-gender-x-option-on-drivers-licenses/

https://abc7.com/news/street-vending-decriminalized-in-la/1730362/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/warren-releases-dna-test-suggesting-distant-native-american-ancestor/2018/10/15/187ce196-d060-11e8-8c22-fa2ef74bd6d6_story.html?utm_term=.5c155a1c46bf

A man who wanted to avoid surveillance could dress like a Muslim female or use a woman's restroom.

Americans used to be taught to love freedom, be moral, be independent, and have personal responsibility.

Americans today are told to love Socialism, be immoral, be weak, and be dependent.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-kids-told-illegal-sell-lemonade-permit/story?id=31667943

Americans are taught to use safe spaces, not have friends, not hug kids, get tattoos, use drugs, get divorced, become homosexuals, get welfare, love war, embrace debt, shoplift, and pee in public.

https://dailycaller.com/2017/05/24/shock-poll-36-percent-of-americas-college-students-say-safe-spaces-are-absolutely-necessary/

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/01/schools-attempt-ban-having-best-friends-its-mean-exclusive/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/stealing-food-if-you-are-poor-and-hungry-is-not-a-crime-italian-court-rules-a7011631.html

https://dailycaller.com/2016/01/24/nyc-set-to-stop-enforcing-law-against-peeing-on-sidewalks-because-racism/

Life has become meaningless now that everything is illegal, hard work is punished with taxes and regulations, and laziness is rewarded with welfare.

Nazis scream Americans need an ID to vote and Commies say Americans need an ID to buy a gun.

Fascists say Clinton was a monster for getting a blowjob, but don't mind that Trump broke the law by cheating on his wife with a prostitute.

Nazis say Germany didn't have any concentration camps, but then Fascists turn around and scream anyone who thinks the Mexican border has concentration camps should go to Germany to see real concentration camps.

Fascists say mudshits are poor, but then say Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is rich.

Liberal Commies go batshit insane when someone is called a nigger, but don't mind criticizing liberal Jews.

https://nypost.com/2019/03/06/democrats-refusal-to-call-out-ilhan-omars-anti-semitism-is-just-appalling/

Conservative Nazis hate conservative Muslims.

Americans think that they are holy gods because the US has nuclear bombs and torture, but then turn around and say North Koreans are evil because they have nuclear weapons and torture.

Americans used to be able to get a good job with an IQ test, but when black people sued because they weren't hired, companies starting requiring degrees. When blacks didn't go to college, universities starting lowering standards so much that having a college diploma is meaningless.

Americans used to be proud if they graduated from Harvard, but now you can just pay a bribe to get in.

Americans used to say the world would end because of a coming ice age. When the cooling didn't happen, Americans said there was global warming. Now Americans swear there is climate change.

Americans used to insist paper bags were dangerous. Now Americans say all bags must be banned.

Americans say skyscrapers, tiny houses, and sleeping in cars must be illegal to protect the environment, but where the fuck are people supposed to live?

Americans insist that company cafeterias must be closed, but then Americans are stunned when cooks lose their jobs.

Americans scream declawing cats must be illegal, but Americans are too retarded to understand that cats will need to be killed because no one wants to adopt a cat that destroys furniture.

Americans swear that you must be legally required to buy wind power, but Americans are unable to understand that wind power kills birds, is unreliable, and is costly because the windmills are far from cities.

Americans used to say alcohol was dangerous and should be illegal, but later alcohol was legalized and pot was banned. Now weed is legal, but smoking is a crime.

Americans used to say you need a business license to start a restaurant. Now Americans say illegal aliens don't need a business license to start a restaurant because Americans don't want the immigrants to be deported.

Commies say that everyone must be required to be vaccinated, but they think unvaccinated illegal aliens are acceptable.

Black people were able to start hotels, restaurants, and funeral homes in the past because blacks couldn't use white businesses. Now blacks are given welfare and black families fall apart because girls just marry the state instead of a man.

White supremacists ridicule white people who say that they're Indians, but what do racists say when they take a DNA test and find out they are 1% black?

Racists are only allowed to be politically correct, but when society falls apart, white people explode and become Nazis.

Americans say that they live in a free, peaceful country with a balanced budget, but anyone who offers opposing evidence is called a racist and a nutjob and gets banned, gets an IRS audit, is arrested, or killed.

When the US Ponzi economy implodes, Americans might kill each other with a Civil war among Fascists and Communists or unite against the 1% or start a race war.

The elites have turned everyone into criminals, liars, hypocrites, and cowards. The only good thing about living in a police state is that no one can take the moral high ground on anything.

Maybe the best Americans can do right now is become anonymous, buy a sailboat, and leave.