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[–]FullRetard 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Fuck yes. In 1 year Alex will be naming them. The AJ redemption ark isreal.

[–]YoMamma 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

lol

[–]Drewski[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

[–]NastyWetSmear 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (41 children)

No surprise. They awarded the complainants more money than it would cost to replace their dead family members with solid gold robots. It's insane. It's one thing to agree that a media company has said something that is false and needs to pay compensation, it's another to drag someone through the mud so blatantly.

[–]Smalls 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

I value my family more than all the gold in the world.

There is a difference between compensatory and punitive damages.

[–]chadwickofwv 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The problem here is that the "families" in question are crisis actors who had no family members die in any attack, and were not harassed by Alex Jones or anyone under his employ.

[–]Smalls 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Why do you believe that?

[–]chadwickofwv 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's quite simple. I watched all the extended videos that were leaked of the "parents" laughing it up with reporters before they turned on the tears for the camera. I also looked at the profile pictures on several crisis actor websites which contained most of the "parents" pictures.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The problem here is that the "families" in question are crisis actors who had no family members die in any attack

If it's so easy to fake a birth certificate (and death certificate) in the USA, how come so many immigrants are still illegal on paper?

[–]NastyWetSmear 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I understand that, but the amount being awarded is ludicrous. This comical little conspiracy theory internet show didn't shoot those children, they just incorrectly reported that no shooting every happened and the families were fake. Sure, award them some damage, but then look at other media companies being fined millions of dollars for spreading incorrect stories... Or no fines at all in the cases of some political ones... And tell me that the award here was reasonable and not a focused effort to shut down the company.

Alex Jones, I feel, is being charged a total of 1.5 Billion dollars, not because anyone has suffered a total of 1.5 billion dollars in damage from his claims, or because there is some standard for false reporting that he has breeched that any normal media company would end up paying the same amount for, but because someone wanted his internet podcast closed down. I doubt it's because of the accuracy of it, despite the memes.

[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Grieving families were mailed rape threats. People showed up a their houses, demanding to see their dead child.

This isn't "a comic little conspiracy theory". It's an attack on people who have gone through the death of a child. The worst grief from a single thing that can be suffered.

[–]NastyWetSmear 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

It is a comic little conspiracy show, hence the "Pot bellied vampire goblins" and other nonsense. That some people in the audience decided every word is gospel is no more his fault than Pewdiepie is to blame for that dude shooting up that Mosque after saying: "Subscribe to Pewdiepie" - The actions of other people shouldn't be the responsibility of their choice of entertainment. That way lies: "Video games made me do it".

Besides, as I've mentioned, there's plenty of propaganda in the media far worse that impacts more lives daily that is never brought to trial like this. This was done specifically against Alex Jones, and I suspect it was done because he makes a beautiful, fat target to chill speech against the establishment, it's just that it's much harder to sue him into oblivion when he's saying that Hollywood is a cult of devil worshipers who practice child sacrifice and other things so outlandish they land in satire than it is to catch him in something that directly impacts individual private citizens.

[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I agree that failing to see that Alex Jones is making up stories is a difficult mindset to work out.

But the resulting harassment to the living and disrespect for the deceased was real.

And Jones probably knew that, although, by running obstruction for so many years to the discovery process, he managed to win a default judgement, so we haven't got the evidence of that to a legal standard. But if its wrong, his running obstruction makes no sense.

Besides, as I've mentioned, there's plenty of propaganda in the media far worse that impacts more lives daily that is never brought to trial like this.

For instance?

This was done specifically against Alex Jones, and I suspect it was done because he makes a beautiful, fat target to chill speech against the establishment

No, the case was brought by the families of those killed. They're not establishment. They're victims of a horrific crime.

[–]NastyWetSmear 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

If you want to see Alex Jones charged for interfering with the discovery process, okay. That's fair... But that doesn't result in a 1 billion dollar total payout. It might result in his lawyer being disbarred and maybe him seeing gaol time? Not much, I'd say, but some for sure... But we don't pass that along in the millions of dollars to each plaintiff.

For instance?

Jan 6th coverage? People have been arrested and locked up, assaulted, cancelled - One side reports it as an insurrection and supports efforts to take a running candidate off the ballot while the other side says it was little more than a guided tour of the White House with nearly no violence. The divide between people gets wider and wider and it's this kind of reporting that drives it. Next time a right wing person is kicked out of a store because "All right wing people want to take away women's right to vote" or a left wing person is refused a cake because "All you crazies want to turn our kids gay", do we go back to these sensationalist news media outlets and sue them for each and every person who has had their life impacted by the constant "Us vs Them" insanity they push? Does Ron de Santos sue all the media that dubbed his law "Don't Say Gay" because that pushes a clearly false version of the law and resulted in him getting angry letters and harassment and drew a crazy line in the sand between every day people, both of whom likely misunderstood what was even being proposed in the law because their entertainment and news told them some far left/right leaning version of it? Does AoC sue all the news agencies that released that footage of her dancing sexy when she was younger because now people are calling her "Big Booty Latina" in public and don't take her side seriously no matter what they propose?

What about people directly impacted? Bike lock assault guy. He was directly harmed by people who were on the street because they were convinced the Republicans were going to round them up in trucks... Because that's what they read online. What about that dude that "Crossed state lines" with his gun during a riot and ended up being attacked. He had to personally shoot people to save his life and his family's store and one side of the media, who were mostly responsible for stirring up the riots that put him there, constantly reported that he was a murderer. Do you think he and everyone who lost something that day is each going to see $56,000,000?

No, the case was brought by the families of those killed. They're not establishment. They're victims of a horrific crime.

Sorry, to be clear, I didn't mean the case was brought by some shadowy government trying to silence him. I meant that the court saw a chance to silence him and may have been encouraged to be heavier of hand in doing so. Not that I could prove that... That's my Alex Jones conspiracy theory. Please don't harass any judges as a result of me saying it.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If you want to see Alex Jones charged for interfering with the discovery process, okay. That's fair... But that doesn't result in a 1 billion dollar total payout.

That's right. That resulted in him being found liable. Then there was a case to determine the payout.

Jan 6th coverage? People have been arrested and locked up, assaulted, cancelled

You hold an insurrection, you get charged.

while the other side says it was little more than a guided tour of the White House with nearly no violence.

No one is saying that in court. That's something Tucker Carlson came up with, but it wouldn't be taken seriously in real life. There's plenty of footage of violence.

Next time a right wing person is kicked out of a store because "All right wing people want to take away women's right to vote" or a left wing person is refused a cake because "All you crazies want to turn our kids gay", do we go back to these sensationalist news media outlets and sue them for each and every person who has had their life impacted by the constant "Us vs Them" insanity they push?

I think there's less actual harassment of individuals on those cases than the Sandy Hook massacre harassment. And the individuals are less vulnerable.

I meant that the court saw a chance to silence him and may have been encouraged to be heavier of hand in doing so.

It was a jury of citizens that came up with most of the damages, not the court. Although the court did tack on another nearly 50%.

[–]NastyWetSmear 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You hold an insurrection, you get charged.
No one is saying that in court. That's something Tucker Carlson came up with, but it wouldn't be taken seriously in real life. There's plenty of footage of violence.

So, here I think we hit a snag.

I don't think a sane person who isn't influenced by American media would look at what happened that day and say: "This was an insurrection". It was a protest and it turned into a fairly mild riot. At no stage was there a fear of a take over of the government or a loss of civil control, and if anyone was looking at what happened and thinking there was, they had best review the months and months of other riots and consider what an insurrection is. Closer to an actual insurrection is the creation of "Free Zones" that the citizens declare not to be part of the united states and refuse to allow law enforcement or EMT's to enter - But because it's not as dividing to talk about that and doesn't get the blood pumping as much, the media has let that slide away despite a longer lasting time frame and, arguably, more damage.

Also, I never said anyone was saying that in court - I was saying that a split American media was peddling these two opposing stories, which have resulted in greater harm to a much wider number of people as it continues to cause division between Americans, many of whom are now convinced that the other side of the political debate either ways to ethnically cleanse the country, or wants to charge all white Americans a tax to be paid to black Americans.

I also don't agree about the amount of harassment you're prescribing - You're talking about every person who has been convinced by what's on TV that they need to march in the street, attack anyone who is wearing the opposite colour pin, get people fired for their political views, refuse them service because of some view they hold, etc etc. While any individual event might be less harassment than the Sandy Hook parents faced, the gross number of events would wash away any 1 billion plus payment out of sheer number. Imagine if everyone who faced cancellation online, harassment in real life or felt threatened by someone because they believed the political reporting on TV got a $100,000 payout. How many billions of dollars would that be?

But we don't see it. We don't see it because Alex Jones is a nice, comfortable, easy target to bray at, while Fox and CNN aren't. You can drag him into a favourable court and get 1 billion plus out of him... Or, not really, because I doubt he has it... And make a nice example of him, but you know that you won't be getting that out of mainstream media.

It was a jury of citizens that came up with most of the damages, not the court. Although the court did tack on another nearly 50%.

Yeah, fair point. Maybe I'm exaggerating the extent the court is directly involved. I still find the amounts ridiculous, but it is hard for me to point the finger at the justice system directly when the jury is doing the accounting.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It was a protest and it turned into a fairly mild riot.

Rubbish.

It was an attempt to stop the peaceful handover of power.

[–]LarrySwinger2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

What's more, what he said was actually true.

[–]NastyWetSmear 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Are we talking about him saying the family of the children who were shot in a school shooting were fake?

[–]LarrySwinger2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

[–]NastyWetSmear 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I'm afraid I don't have time right now to watch a 2.5 hour video, but the first one is certainly totally nothing at all.

A good conspiracy theory is fun, but they are usually only fun. The idea of the government arranging a fake shooting is pretty far fetched, mate.

[–]LarrySwinger2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Conspiracies are real and they go so far as to fake shootings, among other things. The first video is a big tell.

[–]NastyWetSmear 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

It's not, mate. During tragedies people show all sorts of emotions. Sometimes a friend makes a joke to comfort you or give you support and you smile, then they ask you to talk about the tragedy and it all falls apart. In some experiments people laughed out loud while being asked to painfully electrocute other people despite reporting being really uncomfortable with it.

Besides, if he was a crisis actor, you don't think, when he saw those cameras and mics, he would have started playing his role straight away? He's meant to be specifically trained to appear weepy and upset in front of the media. Why wait and share a joke right up until the moment he steps forward? It's not like they caught him by surprise.

As far as conspiracy goes - you're expecting people to believe that, between the school itself, the media reporting, the police attending, the local hospitals, morgues and the funeral homes arranging the burials, everyone was 100% down to fake this happening and not a single person felt this was wrong and blew the whistle?... You're asking a lot from a government who can't keep their President from walking the wrong way, turn to shake hands with someone who isn't there and then stare blankly until someone guides him away. If they could arrange all that with total, air tight precision, I'd expect the economy to be better, Trump to be in gaol, the Hunter Biden Laptop thing to have never happened and the polls for the next election to look so Blue you'd swear it was a clear ocean day.

[–]LarrySwinger2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

He was clearly practicing it. In isolation it could've been given the benefit of the doubt but there are many other hints, such as the school having fallen in disuse a long time ago.

And yes, they pay off key individuals. They would really have a budget of millions of dollars for this operation. Please note that this doesn't come from an insistence that everyone is in on it. There are other anomalies that demonstrate it to have been a staged event, and from that it follows that there was coordination between many individuals. This sounds odd but isn't impossible. The Manhattan Project had more than 100,000 employees but was kept a secret, and the reality of Operation Mockingbird shows that news anchors have no integrity whatsoever and will lie to the public if you offer them enough money.

But the only way to find out all the details is to prosecute the perpe-traitors and reducing their sentences if they explain it.

[–]NastyWetSmear 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Okay, dude. You take some time to think about the logistics of what you're saying happened and try to imagine, in your head, how it would play out. I'm obviously not going to convince you, but maybe, if you play it out a few times, you'll see the impossibility of your suggestion.

Also, no, he wasn't "Clearly practicing". I don't even know what you think he was practicing. Do you think this was a pretend interview they were doing for him to practice, or did you think he just chose to start "practicing" in the middle of a group of media and press?

You gotta relax. Being skeptical is good. Being skeptical to the point of being a sucker isn't.

[–]LarrySwinger2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

He was practicing his sad face. Yes, the media were in on it and he knew that. Maybe he missed that this was live or whatever, and thought they would cut it later. Through total control of the MSM, the public won't awaken no matter how big the blunders are (cf. WTC-7), so they became sloppy.

[–]Smalls 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

[–]chadwickofwv 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You very obviously didn't watch the videos. They have since been scrubbed from the internet since they were proof that Alex Jones could have used to defend himself. Though that really didn't matter since the judge declared him guilty without a trial.

[–]Smalls 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I watched the first video but I'm sitting through a 2-1/2 hour video. If they were on the internet, they can still be found.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You should have let him know that, because that would've been a complete defence.

[–]LarrySwinger2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

How about you try defending yourself against this: kys faggot.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Throughout all the trials Alex didn't once suggest that what he actually said was true.

He didn't try to argue it. He didn't suggest that it was a position that a sane person could believe. He has argued that "No Reasonable Person Would Believe What He Says". Are you a reasonable person?

Alex Jones has claimed not. And this is one of those rare situations in which I think most people would agree with him.

[–]LarrySwinger2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Alex Jones is likely a disinfo agent and they did this to create a precedent for other truthers. If he was at all serious, he could've proven it in court.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Way to double down on the blatantly false.

If he was at all serious, he could've proven it in court.

$1.4 Billion isn't enough for him to respond at all seriously? That's in the order of three times what he's worth.

[–]oatmealpoop 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What's more, what he said was actually true.

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[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

He didn't just say something that was false.

He noticed that his numbers went up when he said it, and so kept doing it. And he encouraged his followers to harass the grieving families.

And he dragged the case out 12 years by not complying with discovery over and over and over again. While claiming that the judge and families were demonic.

The penalty was high, but he truly made every possible effort to deserve it.

[–]NastyWetSmear 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Disagree. He said something that was false, and I've no doubt he kept saying it. It's debatable if or not he encouraged anyone to harass anyone, but even if he did, the amount awarded in no way reflects the damage done.

News media pushes false narratives all the time, some more harmful to a greater number of people than this has been, and rare is the punishment, let alone to this level. This is an attack directed at him and his show.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It's debatable if or not he encouraged anyone to harass anyone, but even if he did, the amount awarded in no way reflects the damage done.

Here is the breakdown of what the jury said each plaintiff should receive:

  • Robert Parker, father of 6-year-old Emilie Parker: $120,000,000
  • William Sherlach, husband of 56-year-old school employee Mary Sherlach: $36,000,000
  • David Wheeler, father of 6-year-old Ben Wheeler: $55,000,000
  • Francine Wheeler, mother of 6-year-old Ben Wheeler: $54,000,000
  • Jacqueline Barden, mother of 7-year-old Daniel Barden: $28,800,000
  • Mark Barden, father of 7-year-old Daniel Barden: $57,600,000
  • Nicole Hockley, mother of 6-year-old Dylan Hockley: $73,600,000
  • Ian Hockley, father of 6-year-old Dylan Hockley: $81,600,000
  • Jennifer Hensel, for the estate of Jeremy Richman and father who died by suicide of 6-year-old Avielle Richman: $52,000,000
  • Donna Soto, mother of teacher Victoria Soto: $48,000,000
  • Carlee Soto-Parisi, sister of teacher Victoria Soto: $66,000,000
  • Carlos Matthew Soto, brother of teacher Victoria Soto: $57,600,000
  • Jillian Soto-Marino, sister of teacher Victoria Soto: $68,800,000
  • William Aldenberg, FBI agent and first responder: $90,000,000
  • Erica Lafferty/trustee Richard M. Coan, daughter of school principal Dawn Hochsprung: $76,000,000

They judged that that reflected the damage done. Which one or ones do you think doesn't reflect that, and what are the main sources of error that the jury made in getting the number wrong?

Or is it only the punitive damages and attorney's fees that you think doesn't reflect the damage done?

Because it's not supposed to. But it was only another $473 million, so it doesn't change the order of magnitude of the judgement.

[–]NastyWetSmear 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

None of that reflects any reasonable amount based on the events and his connection to them. $120,000,000 because people who watch your show harassed someone?... $120,000,000??? He didn't shoot their child. These people haven't been fired from their job because of his actions and refused jobs anywhere else. He hasn't caused the direct breakdown of their family - People who watched his show took it upon themselves to do something unhealthy and unwelcome. $120,000,000?! The family likely can't possibly suffer damage equivalent to that amount across their whole lives combined! Will their new aircraft carrier help sooth the pain of those nasty letters, late night calls and aggressive visits?

What kind of precedent is this setting? Why aren't we suing Activison for all the people who played Call Of Duty (... is that Activison?...) and then shot someone? It's a tenuous link, but if we're suing internet conspiracy shows for the actions of their audience, I guess we can look at it. What about American news TV? CNN and Fox spend all night, every night, calling each other dangerous fascists here to destroy democracy who need to be stopped at any cost and unclean, insane child groomers who exists only to exploit children... When someone is hit by a bike lock or chased out of a bathroom, is that worth $36,000,000 dollars? When black lives matter activists storm the street and burn a store to the ground, do we look at which media groups reported that the only action that people will listen to is street protests and demand a $55,000,000 compensation from them?

It seems pretty clear to me that these amounts are inflated beyond reason with the end goal being to make sure that Alex can't continue to be on air. I won't miss him. I never watched or listened to his stuff, but I don't like these attempts at "Lawfare" where the court acts in a way that reduces the faith in it. I don't think there's a right wing media outlet that isn't adjusting its collar, three stooges style, when seeing that judgement... But I'll bet the left wing ones are sleeping comfortably knowing that, despite maybe directly calling for violence themselves, they aren't likely to see a similar case or judgement. That's not healthy.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

$120,000,000 because people who watch your show harassed someone?...

Jones repeatedly did mocking impressions of Parker, shifting from laughing to crying in an instant. He called Parker “disgusting” and “sick.”

For years, Parker remained silent despite a campaign of threats and harassment from conspiracy theorists that drove his family to leave Connecticut.

He feared that anything he said would give them further ammunition. He blamed himself and believed the families of the other victims did, too.

“I started to feel like everybody viewed me like Alex Jones did,” he said in an interview after Wednesday’s verdict. “That’s what trauma does to you.”

There were six jury members who thought that being driven away from your friends and family and bullied into silence was worth about that, and there's only one of you.

These people haven't been fired from their job because of his actions and refused jobs anywhere else.

When you are forced to leave the state, you also have to leave your job.

He hasn't caused the direct breakdown of their family

One of the plaintiffs took his life. That breaks down a family.

And some of the Texas plaintiffs had lost their marriage in the grief and harassment, if I recall correctly. What makes you think that Jones didn't directly contribute to those?

The family likely can't possibly suffer damage equivalent to that amount across their whole lives combined

That's not how you judge damage. You can damage someone for more than they materially own. A life is worth more than most people own.

Will their new aircraft carrier help sooth the pain of those nasty letters, late night calls and aggressive visits?

$120 million doesn't buy an aircraft carrier. It would buy less than 1% of one.

And no, it doesn't bring back the dead or stop the harassment. That's not what damages is. But you can spend money to do a campaign of correcting the misinformation online. If you don't want someone googling your deceased family to have the first page of hits have claims that they didn't exist or were actors.

When black lives matter activists storm the street and burn a store to the ground, do we look at which media groups reported that the only action that people will listen to is street protests and demand a $55,000,000 compensation from them?

Be careful with that narrative. The BLM protest were overwhelmingly peaceful, but extremist racists did see an opportunity to drum up some hatred:

Man who helped ignite George Floyd riots identified as white supremacist: Police

Far-Right Infiltrators and Agitators in George Floyd Protests: Indicators of White Supremacists

It seems pretty clear to me that these amounts are inflated beyond reason with the end goal being to make sure that Alex can't continue to be on air.

I can't say if that was considered by the Jury. They did know that infowars had made over 100 million since sandy hook. And if they knew then it was legally relevant.

[–]NastyWetSmear 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

None of the mocking you described is worth any amount of money. People mock me fairly regularly. How many millions of dollars am I owed? Does a child of mine have to have died tragically for it to hurt my feelings? If I haven't had a recent family tragedy, and it's not a news outlet, can I still get a couple grand each time someone mocks me?

As for what someone's viewers do, that's the point of the debate - We don't hold any other news agency liable for what their readers do, but we do for Jones? Why is that?

Additionally, I don't care what view the victim had. No reasonable person thinks that any significant percentage of the population believes Alex Jones and is out to get the parents. There's enough to be a bother, and that sucks, and Those people should be held accountable for their actions... But not the pudgy internet weirdo who sprouts conspiracy theories. He's just another dancing monkey. If we blame him, we have to blame a lot of other media outlets for a lot of other things.

When you are forced to leave the state, you also have to leave your job.

This is incorrect. Alex Jones never forced him to leave the state and isn't liable... Or, should I say, shouldn't be liable... For his choice to do so. People were harassing him? Sounds like he has a problem with those people that needs to be sorted. Those people say they are doing it because Alex Jones said something? Sounds like both he and Alex have a similar problem with the same people. He isn't responsible for them, he didn't cause those people to leave their home, and even if we stretched the definition of the law to see that he was responsible for all this, unless they are moving into the Taj Mahal, I don't think they require $120,000,000.

One of the plaintiffs took his life. That breaks down a family.

You'll have to prove he did that because of Alex Jones. Given his family member recently died in tragic circumstances and he was, obviously, emotionally struck by it, it would be reasonable to say that there were other factors more pressing to his death. Even if he wrote in the note: "I'm doing this because of Alex Jones", having someone off themselves and writing your name in a letter doesn't make you responsible. If I kill myself tonight because of this conversation and write: "u/ActuallyNot made me do this.", should you be paying me actual millions of dollars because someone might say you tore me up in this comment section and made me look foolish? What if someone else writes a scathing reply saying: "If u/ActuallyNot was here, he would say you're stupid! Ha ha, you're stupid!" and I kill myself saying: "This is u/ActuallyNot's fault!", are you now going to pay my family because of something someone else did on your behalf without your consent? Because right now, you're saying Alex Jones should.

That's not how you judge damage. You can damage someone for more than they materially own. A life is worth more than most people own.

That's not the point I was making. The point is that the amount awarded to them is so insanely high that to say they were damaged by that amount is to suggest they were impacted by a greater extent then their whole life worth of work and savings. Also, though I'm sure that's not your point, Alex Jones didn't take anyone's life, so that measure is irrelevant.

$120 million doesn't buy an aircraft carrier. It would buy less than 1% of one.

Not relevant, and you know it. It was a joke.

Be careful with that narrative. The BLM protest were overwhelmingly peaceful, but extremist racists did see an opportunity to drum up some hatred:

That isn't accurate. That's like saying that the Boston Marathon Bombing was mostly peaceful as most attendees were not blown up. It was a violent and terrible group of riots that cost billions in damage, took several lives and was hosted by grifters to push a narrative that isn't supported by the data in order to draw in donations, heedless of the damage it caused. Saying it was "Overwhelmingly peaceful" because the majority of individual riots didn't have a body count is insane - the body count would have been 0 if it didn't happen. This nonsense of secret white supremacists attending and being responsible for all the woes is laughable. As laughable as when the other side claims that every person who does something wrong at their protests is a "Glowie".

We've got two chats going at once about, essentially, the same thing. I reckon this has done its dash. I don't hate you or your opinion - I feel like I have to say that because this is the internet and everyone assumes. Just so you know, I think many of the points are reasonable, just not right.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

None of the mocking you described is worth any amount of money.

It turns out it is.

People mock me fairly regularly. How many millions of dollars am I owed?

It really depends on the circumstances.

Does a child of mine have to have died tragically for it to hurt my feelings?

If the harassment leveraged that, then certainly that would increase the damages.

We don't hold any other news agency liable for what their readers do, but we do for Jones?

Rudy Giuliani was sued for defamation by Moss and Freeman and they were awarded $148 million in damages, mostly because it subjected them to a torrent of racist and violent threats by readers.

I'm sure there's other cases. Defamation isn't about what just the one person thinks, its about what that makes many people think.

Alex Jones never forced him to leave the state and isn't liable.

It was a consequence of the harassment following Jones' repeated defamation. In what way did Jones not do that?

You'll have to prove he did that because of Alex Jones.

Your claim was "He hasn't caused the direct breakdown of their family." You can't claim that true by switching the burden of proof. If you want me to believe that that's true, you have to prove that he would have done it even without the constant death threats and harassment.

The point is that the amount awarded to them is so insanely high that to say they were damaged by that amount is to suggest they were impacted by a greater extent then their whole life worth of work and savings.

Yes. The impacts on these people's lives was very profound.

Not relevant, and you know it. It was a joke.

Your "joke" exaggerated the damages more than 100 times. I felt that that needed to be called out. You could have said "Their apartment in billionaires row" instead of "their aircraft carrier". Of course that didn't suit your rhetorical goals, because most people would want an apartment, but few a warship.

That isn't accurate.

Afraid it is.

That's like saying that the Boston Marathon Bombing was mostly peaceful as most attendees were not blown up.

Not remotely. There was no violence at most BLM protest. In cases where there was violence it appears that extremist racists were, at least in some cases, instigating it, with a goal to incite racial violence.

Saying it was "Overwhelmingly peaceful" because the majority of individual riots didn't have a body count is insane

Overwhelmingly peaceful because the overwhelming majority of the protests didn't involve rioting.

[–]LarrySwinger2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Archive the content while you can.

[–]gloomy_bear 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Alex Jones is controlled opposition