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[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

Weird because trump himself already basically admitted that he orchestrated Jan 6th for political gain and to use for trump. Also roger stone and ali alexander also basically admitted that they orchestrated Jan 6th for political gain and to use for trump. Also, in addition, the oath keepers basically admitted that they orchestrated Jan 6th for political gain and to use for trump.

OP basically has admitted that it's all true

[–]chadwickofwv 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. This isn't one of those two times though.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

A clock that's running slow can be wrong all the time.

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What do you mean? Who is the clock and what is the "this" in your post

[–]proc0 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

Which is more likely: a few thousand unarmed civilians taking over the country because they stormed into the capitol because somehow there was no security (unlike every other time where military shows up and makes shield walls)--or--purposefully lowering security and hoping ANYTHING happens so that it can be blown up and used to smear Trump to prevent him from ever running again?

The more 1/6 is a big deal... the more incompetent the government is. A few rioters with homemade weapons can take over the WHOLE country! That is SOOO dangerous! But also, we bomb the shit out of the middle east, and have state of the art military. Hmm... it's like someone is making a big deal for some reason.

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Your conspiracy theory only works if you try to stay wilfully ignorant of the fact that there WAS plenty of security.

https://www.npr.org/2021/06/18/1008211655/new-videos-underscore-the-violence-against-police-at-the-jan-6-capitol-riot

They fought and killed cops to rush the building. So don't try and pretend the establishment LET them in.

Because the establishment really wanted Congress postponed, the count stopped and trump to stay president? Why would your conspiracy theory, in addition to pretending the violence never happened, rely on the establishment trying to keep trump in power?

[–]proc0 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Some of the cops DID let them in, there is literal video of this. It's not a conspiracy! You go ask them why they let them in, even though it meant insurrection and losing democracy. I have yet to hear an explanation why these cops acted like guards in a museum.

Let's set that aside now... yes there were also large crowds that were rioting and acting dangerously. Is that really a threat to democracy??? A bunch of people rushing a building will END DEMOCRACY... because that was their intent???

Why would your conspiracy theory, in addition to pretending the violence never happened, rely on the establishment trying to keep trump in power?

That's not the big picture. This was blown up to make Trump look bad, to prevent him from ever running again. The establishment hates him so much that they literally planned to blame him for ANYTHING that happened on 1/6. Nobody really "planned" it, and it could have been anything or nothing, but they got somewhat lucky (still nothing really much happened other than fear mongering about democracy, as explained above).

The establishment is doing everything in their power to keep Trump out not just in 2020, but also in 2024, and yes I'm willing to believe they think that far in advanced.

edit: for the record, I don't necessarily support Trump, or agree on everything, but this was my personal conclusion of that incident that same week after watching and reading about it.

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Some of the cops DID let them in

Proof? I already gave you a link with lots of videos that show the exact opposite. Now you have to provide proof of a standard at least exceeding my own.

Let's set that aside now... yes there were also large crowds that were rioting and acting dangerously. Is that really a threat to democracy???

No! Of course not! Unless the riot is taking place inside the exact room of the building where the electoral vote is being certified by Congress - then, yes, that's a threat to democracy.

Was it news to you just now, when you read that congress were certifying the election on Jan 6th? Is that a new discovery for you? If not how did you write with a straight face that there was no threat to the democratic process?

The establishment is doing everything in their power to keep Trump out

You already said that the establishment let rioters inside to stop the count which would keep trump in office. So which is it? Did the establishment want to keep counting votes and thus keep trump out, or, did the establishment want riots to stop the count?

[–]proc0 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Sure, there are many videos, this is a quick search: https://www.bitchute.com/video/qumeqnmCTAAA/

Was it news to you just now, when you read that congress were certifying the election on Jan 6th?

Ok, so given that was going on, and Trump was such a threat for years, why wasn't there proper security, and why did some cops act like tour guides? At best we're talking about an incompetent government that can't protect itself, yet I don't see any investigation into why this was allowed to happen. That should at least be part of the investigation but it's so far only about how Trump coordinated it which seems like a purposeful framing.

So which is it? Did the establishment want to keep counting votes and thus keep trump out, or, did the establishment want riots to stop the count?

Again, so you think a riot can actually change the course of democracy, as if everyone would just give up if the process had it been interrupted? They could easily continue the next day. The US gov. is not that fragile.

If any representative or senator had been hurt or killed, it would still not stop the count or change the government. Instead the military would respond, and Trump would have surely been in prison. That would have been the ideal outcome for the establishment. So yes, they were trying to kill two birds with one stone... Trump was already out, and they were trying to get ahead by smearing Trump to make sure 2016 never happens again. This isn't far fetched, everyone witnessed the hate and lies told about Trump for four years. The establishment never accepted Trump, an elected president, and they are still waging war against him because they know he is a threat to their status quo.

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Sure, there are many videos, this is a quick search

I've addressed that already here.

https://saidit.net/s/whatever/comments/9g8b/january_6th_was_not_an_insurrection_calling_it/yiox

If you push the door for a few seconds, it opens.

Remember how I said. That I've already in this thread linked you to videos of maga fucks fighting and murdering capitol police to gain entrance...so any proof you offer needs to be of equal bearing? Yeah so you doing a 2 second search isnt going to work.

why did some cops act like tour guides

Who? Where?

So the cops wanted the people to come inside? The same people who were out there fighting and murdering cops? The officers wanted them inside so that...they could stop the electoral count in trump's flavour? Is that your theory?

If any representative or senator had been hurt or killed, it would still not stop the count or change the government. Instead the military would respond, and Trump would have surely been in priso

I love how you figured this out in hindsight....but trump at the time thought it would work out for him. Roger stone and ali alexander thought at the time, that it would all work out for him. Steve Bannon at the time, thought it would all work out for trump. And the thousands of rioters thought, at the time, that it would all work out for trump.....but here you have decided in hindsight that it would never work. Hilarious dude.

Trump was already out, and they were trying to get ahead by smearing Trump to make sure 2016 never happens again

Ok ...so what did "they" (who?) actually DO?

I am in the Illuminati or whatever.

It's jan 5th and we're holding a meeting to discuss our plans for tomorrow.

We know that trump has summoned thousands of maga fucks to descend on the capitol.

We know that he has whipped the crowd into fury and anger.

We know that trump has told the national guard to stand down and the number of cap metro cops won't be enough.

So what is it that we do? What are the Illuminati actually doing, in your theory, that the thousands of enraged maga fucks weren't going to do anyway?

Its just such a shitty conspiracy theory. In order to claim the Illuminati are responsible for jan 6th...you have to force yourself to ignore the thousands of enraged morons who were determined to invade Congress on trump's instruction

[–]proc0 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Wow, I don't care what the reason for opening the doors was. If that was supposed to be so dangerous, the building should have been ultra secured. At best is shows incompetence and should be investigated but it's not. The bottom line is that they failed to secure the building.

So what is it that we do? What are the Illuminati actually doing, in your theory, that the thousands of enraged maga fucks weren't going to do anyway?

Illumaniti lol.. government is a literal conspiracy. They conspire behind doors, that's their job. Obviously they discuss things that don't go public, and it includes political strategies.

In order to claim the Illuminati are responsible for jan 6th...you have to force yourself to ignore the thousands of enraged morons who were determined to invade Congress on trump's instruction

So they are enraged morons, but also somehow a threat to democracy?? People in power are protecting themselves, they're not about to lose power to some new guy who just entered politics. Controlling the people is what the U.S. government has been doing for a long time, and it's not theory or paranoia. Read about Vietnam, Iraq, and so many other times that government actively and knowingly manipulated the public. This is what governments do, just look around the world.

Blindly trusting any government is naive. We don't need to go into crazy theories of never going to the moon. Knowing history is enough to show this kind of political tactic that involves selling a narrative to the public is actually the simplest explanation.

[–]Site_rly_sux 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

So they are enraged morons, but also somehow a threat to democracy

Yes, to the electoral count, which they were there to interrupt

Read about Vietnam, Iraq, and so many other times that government actively and knowingly manipulated the public

Are Nixon's people are still around? So what's the link between what Nixon did and Jan 6th?

There was a liar on Nixon's staff and you think he's still around today? Or is this more Illuminati? You think the Illuminati were responsible for Nixon's lies and also Jan 6th?

Whether it was nixon or the Illuminati....it certainly wasn't the 1000s of enraged morons who I showed you videos of beating and murdering capitol police. No, those thousands of maga fuckheads were....the nixon staffer Illuminati? Huh?

This is what governments do, just look around the world.

Wait sorry so now there's a foreign government whose agents were among the thousands of red face mayonnaise people who were smashing windows and beating cops? Those maga hat people were all foreign government agents? Then why was Roger stone and ali Alexander and Steve Bannon all so eager that people attend and join the crowd.....

Holy shit I just realised - roger stone campaigned for nixon during Vietnam, and he took PR jobs for dictator Ferdinand Marcos! Whose son is today the president of a foreign government....holy shit are you saying roger stone is the illuminatus behind Jan 6th??!

[–]proc0 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Are Nixon's people are still around? So what's the link between what Nixon did and Jan 6th?

Yes, it's called the U.S. government. I also mentioned Iraq, but I guess that is too recent for your rhetoric to work.

TBH, sounds like you just hate "maga people". I don't see that there would be anything to make you change your mind on 1/6, because probably there is nothing to be said that would change your mind about that group of people.

Then why was Roger stone and ali Alexander and Steve Bannon all so eager that people attend and join the crowd.....

So who is at fault? Trump, Stone, Bannon, the magatards? All of them? Why not just say everyone who is anti-establishment? Let's just blame anyone who opposes the government, and let's put all of them in jail! Only those loyal to the government should be allowed in society.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I'm all in favor of groups of people storming government buildings and terrorizing the parasite employees there; unfortunately, as is usually the case, the Republican Boomers have no testicles and this entire event was contrived. If Trump had tried to stage a coup and destroy the worthless and degenerate American system I'd actually give a shit about him, but he's just an old narcissist and his supporters are dumbasses who get bilked by the Republicans for donations that never accomplish anything.

Voting and politicians are useless, America needs to have its existing political system wiped away, by force if necessary, so the fact that the FBI and the media basically invented this fake insurrection is neither surprising nor satisfying.

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

homie, put the pipe down

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If you think voting for some old faggot is going to save America, you're the one who's smoking crack.

[–]iamonlyoneman 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

so don't vote then and tell your mom i said hi when she brings you more nachos