US Rejection Of Moscow's Offer For Peace Talks Is Utterly Inexcusable

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[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Feeding the war machine... 😔

[–]SoCo 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

The US has been publicly and consistently against a peace deal and seem to be constantly in-between Russia and Ukraine's ability to have peace talks. I wonder if Ukraine would do things differently, if not for being bullied or blackmailed by allies, or simply feeling obligated to do what the US wants, to continue to receive their support.

[–]Insider 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

Comedian/actor Zelensky is a US puppet parading around in front of a green screen. Ukraine doesn't "feel" obligated to do what the US wants. They already are an arm of America's New World Order.

US staged a coup in 2014 to overthrow Ukraine's democratically elected government and replace it with an anti-Russian government that they controlled. Here's a 2018 article that provides a lot of evidence:

https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2018/06/04/how-and-why-the-u-s-government-perpetrated-the-2014-coup-in-ukraine/

[–]Hengkongphooey 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

u/asshole told me to not read it

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    [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

    u/s0cks is that you?

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        [–]SoCo 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        That article has some very interesting details and sources, thanks.

        A different angle I like to focuses on, is a telling one to me. While not exactly evidence, it establishes a strong motive, that is easy for most to understand. Before the coup/revolution, Ukraine needed financial help and was looking at a proposal from the US+EU and a proposal from Russia. When the Ukrainian president chose Russia's deal, Ukraine almost immediately descended into blood, fire, and a toppled leader. Then, the US hand picked ("vetted") a couple new presidents to choose from, paid for, and over saw the public's election from their choices. A completely suspicious timeline of events.

        Both the EU and Russia were pressuring them with sanctions/trade restrictions and they were in debt; Ukraine needed money and a trade deal to dig out. Russia's proposal wasn't super and wouldn't stroke their ego, but their proposal would do it and was strait forward. The US had tons of strings and conditions, would be painful in the short run, but was expected be a much larger payout and market in the long run; free trade with the EU sounds enticing to the populists. I think it was clear Yanukovich wanted to that EU free trade dream and wanted to go with their deal, but he just couldn't get past all the red tape and conditions. It was probably overwhelming without a cabinet of experts, like we hope all EU/US government deals are made with. When he abandoned his long-public support for working a deal with the EU and chose the Russian deal, within days people were dying, cops were dying, huge protests were everywhere, and Ukraine was completely coupe'd. As your article mentions and gives evidence towards, the so called "revolution" happened so fast it was obviously pre-planned and prepared for, waiting on that "no" decision on the US+EU trade deal. I find that a super strong motive and easy for most to understand plainly.

        [–]diaspora21 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        You are exactly correct, comrade!

        [–]RedEyedWarrior 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

        This isn’t America VS Russia. This is American Elites VS everybody else.

        [–][deleted] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

        It's kike globalism vs humanity.

        [–]RedEyedWarrior 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Well said.

        [–]aaarrgh 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

        but the US don't want peace.

        [–]Rah 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

        1910 and 1940 ghosts of German diplomats: Lol they are doing the thing again, Hans!

        [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

        Ukraine lost at least 500,000 of its 600,000 combat-capable personnel. What does the USA do? It brings in its ISIS / Al Qaeda mercenary army into the Ukraine to keep on fighting.

        [–]IkeConn 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        /s/LetsGoBrandon

        [–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Slava ukraini. All my homies hate on the ruZ

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

        The ground freezes in the Ukraine in less than a month, so expect the war over there to get REALLY HOT by mid-November. It will be hot WW3 and the stock market will sink to the bottom of the ocean.

        [–]chickenz 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

        Mr Putin will make a move when you least expect it.

        When you think he will strike, he will retreat.

        He already established his dominance.

        He attacked and no country came to the aid of Ukraine.

        He has you by your balls.

        https://youtu.be/4PTudrmagxs

        [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (13 children)

        Uh, dude. I am on Mr. Putin's side in this. Fuck the satanists all the way back to hell.

        [–]chickenz 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

        Nobody wins once the missiles start flying.

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

        Oh, my... That is the M.A.D. doctrine from the 1960s. You need to brush up on your nuclear warfare doctrine education my dude.

        [–]chickenz 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

        Everything in these forums is arguments.

        Don't tell me what to lookup.

        Either share your opinion or don't.

        [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        1) We are in an era of small TACTICAL nukes, not the 25-megaton monstrosities that would raze an entire city with suburbs. Small modern tactical nukes make much cleaner explosions, with a lot less fallout. As such, these small nukes can be more readily used, such as was done in Yemen and Ukraine somewhat recently, without triggering too much of an uproar.

        2) Russia has hypersonic missiles to deliver such nukes, or big ones. Their hypersonics have practically unlimited range, are intelligent enough to steer clear of 'problem' areas with too much anti-air weaponry, and travel at Mach 5 and higher speeds, meaning they can easily evade and outrun any existing anti-missile system. The West only has ICBMs, with hypersonics still years out.

        3) Russia has the best anti-missile weaponry in the world, bar none.

        With all these things considered, Russia could wipe out the West, but they won't need to, and the West could not do much against Russia. Maybe detonate a nuke in the very high atmosphere above Russia, with an EMP that would take out power in that half of the world, essentially killing the economies of all of Asia and another sizeable chunk of the world besides Russia.

        Given all this, it is unsurprising that Mr. Putin might see it as a short-window where he can actually win a nuclear war, until the West gets hypersonics. If he waits that long, Russia becomes a giant sheet of radioactive glass. He doesn't want that.

        So his plan seems to be very parallel to what Adolf Hitler did in 1939: protect his people, and try to keep the degenerate satanists down.

        The way I see it, he has NO CHOICE other than to play the hypersonic nuclear card before the West gets Hypersonics. The satanists clearly don't want peace.

        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

        If Putin does NOT wipe out a country or two with nukes, the world will descend into absolute, down-to-the-cellular-level, totalitarian slavery. This is a purely satanist goal, and it is a VERY REAL THREAT.

        Personally, I hope he goes through with it, and nukes the West. Hell, I would die before the world comes under such slavery, no problem.

        Which one would you choose? Death or absolute slavery FOREVER?

        Ever meet these little insignificant shitheads wearing T-shirts or tattos with Satanist symbolism? They think they're pretty cool huh? That's what they're for, without knowing it: ABSOLUTE slavery of practically EVERYONE and FOREVER.

        [–]chickenz 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

        There is one thing that prevents any country from launching a nuclear attack on the United States.

        If a certain event begins to happen, then the strike will be soon.

        Until this event happens, you are safe here.

        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

        Tell me what you mean. I spilled the beans, you spill'em too.

        Are you talking about the aliens?

        [–]chickenz 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

        am I talking about aliens?

        Umm, no..

        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        This is a reality. Nobody really wins.

        [–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Let's hope Russia gets many allies, Saudi Arabia and u/jet199 is already friends with them

        [–]ruqqer 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        For context, Russia invaded Ukraine and grabbed a bunch of Ukrainian territory, knowing that Ukraine has 4x smaller population and no oil money to fund military production. It took months for Ukraine to coordinate things with the West and to start slowly retaking it back. Now Russia is offering "peace talks", i.e. asking to keep the land they already grabbed, now that the tide has turned.

        It makes full sense that Ukraine wouldn't agree to it. If they really wanted peace, they could offer to withdraw their troops from the territories grabbed after 2014. Ukraine would be more than happy to accept that.

        It's like you got robbed in a dark alley, spent some time tracking down your stolen phone, brought the robber to the police station, and now he's offering sincere apologies if you let him keep the phone. And you are somehow that bad person for not accepting them.

        [–]Objecting_Sphere 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        Exactly! Russia could have peace right now, all they need to do is retreat back within their borders.

        [–]chickenz 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

        Britney Griner 2024

        [–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

        Invading and annexing crimea was utterly inexcusable.

        But it was not enough for Putin.

        The ethnic cleansing of Donetsk and Luhansk and their annexation, should not be acceptable, because that would be a signal that invading neighbouring countries is a good policy. The demilitarization of Kyiv is a transparent indication of Putin's intention to annex more places later.

        "Moscow" claims that the US has not made serious peaxe talks, because they reject everything that doesn't give them those things.

        For peace, get the fuck out of Ukraine. Simple.

        [–]ActuallyWhat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        What do you mean by "countries"? You mean imaginary lines drawn in the ground by imaginary people of an imaginary period of immeasurable time? Time was not invented by Kazakhstan old chap! Are you a madman?

        [–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        What do you mean by "countries"?

        Distinct parts of the world, such as states, nations, or other political entities.

        [–]chickenz 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        listen to me you Russian fagtard.. either give Britney back to us or just go fuck you. ~joe biden