Elderly man gets hit in the head with his own wine bottle by two muggers on Chicago train after confronting him at 2am. Black on Asian, so none of the usual suspects will care.

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[–]Alienhunter 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

True. But one must question whether or not it's worth it for society to save these lives at the cost of wider addiction.

I don't think we gain much from tossing addicts in prisons with other addicts and dealers and making their future employment prospects bleak. But that doesn't mean society should tolerate certain kinds of drug use. Heroin is basically only acceptable when you're gonna die anyway and it's like, well he's got terminal cancer this will make him feel better, be addicted for life but life is only like a couple days more so... What's the harm?

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Heroin is basically only acceptable when you're gonna die anyway and it's like, well he's got terminal cancer this will make him feel better, be addicted for life but life is only like a couple days more so... What's the harm?

I agree with that.

My grandfather had a broken back among other injuries, guy was in pain constantly, and he was only allowed a very strict amount of hydrocodone. One of my Aunt's used to almost delight in denying him the opiates and making him take Tylenol instead. I never saw the point, he suffered a lot more than he had to in his final years. I said exactly what you did, what does it matter if he becomes dependent on it, or addicted, it was the ass end of life.

Myself, I believe I have hypermobile Ehlers-Danlos with early onset osteoarthritis -- that began 26 years ago or so and it mostly just gets worse with time. When there's big pressure changes, like from rain or storms, it totally hobbles me, and the pain can drive me out of my mind. I'd love if I could just pick up opiates. Used to be able to just buy em, still can, but now there's fent in everything and you're risking your life.

Not that they're indicated for use in EDS, in fact they make things worse because I will move like I'm not hurt and hurt myself worse, but all I have that works somewhat is kratom, and that's better for minor pain, and booze. I feel like I'm back in the 1800s, anesthetizing myself with alcohol. And that doesn't help when I'm already pain crazed.

I don't want people to get addicted and ruin their lives, or die, I really don't, but I also don't want to suffer and see others suffer because of the addicts.

[–]Alienhunter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Have you tried the Buddhist method of lying to yourself that the pain is just an illusion.

It's far from perfect but surprisingly effective.

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I didn't realize that was Buddhist in origin, but yes, I do use mindfulness as well as disassociation. The later isn't recommended, so I don't do it much, but when I've been up four or five days, idgaf.

I try a lot of different things, doing something even if it doesn't work that well is much better than just sitting there and suffering. The acupuncture seemed to help, although what I do is probably more accurately called microneedling.

[–]Alienhunter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not Buddhist in origin but popularized by the Tibetan monks that do the whole freezing mountain meditation shit. Disassociation is bad though, you don't want to disassociate yourself from feeling, you want to disassociate the pain from yourself. It only works so long as it's not excruciating but there's benefit to telling yourself the pain is not so bad to stop you from doing the things you want.

Granted having painkillers also helps greatly.