Russia claims Ukraine behind fatal missile attack

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[–]neomarxist_bullshit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (33 children)

Here's their supply list

Even further, their missiles are the Skander ones, not the older T-Us.

So... if there's some official list it means Russia definitely can't use anything else?

[–]Inuma 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (32 children)

They'd have to refit what's out there for their older models compared to what Ukraine already has.

[–]neomarxist_bullshit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (31 children)

Former communist countries have been delivering old Soviet equipment to Ukraine. How could that possibly be the case if they don't actively use them now?

Russia probably still has depots full of these missiles.

[–]Inuma 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (30 children)

How could that possibly be the case if they don't actively use them now?

You misread the PDF. That's RUSSIA that doesn't have them.

Ukraine does.

[–]neomarxist_bullshit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (29 children)

Russia (Soviet Union) manufactured them.

[–]Inuma 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (28 children)

The USSR broke up in the 90s. The Russia now isn't the Russia then and those blueprints for older missiles are indeed with Ukraine. As it stands, they have about 90+ of them. Hence, the serial number point I brought up earlier.

[–]neomarxist_bullshit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (27 children)

The Russia now isn't the Russia then

Just pointed out the fact that ex-communist countries have depots full of old Soviet stuff, and it's being given to Ukraine because they can operate it. (So the argument "but it's not in active use" is not very persuasive.)

My guess is it's similar in Russia - they still have their old equipment, because where would it go?

[–]Inuma 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (26 children)

You're free to think that but as explained, their stocks for the old one shows that they don't use that one. They use the Iskander one. So until you show something more convincing besides what they're currently using (including their hypersonic missiles), the point remains that Ukraine has the T-U in abundance which were more likely used by them in yet another provocation.

[–]neomarxist_bullshit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

their stocks for the old one shows that they don't use that one

You're reiterating a moot point. Saying it multiple times doesn't make it true.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

What's the "evidence" for your side? The legacy "media" propaganda machine? Whatever they say, it's probably false. Zelenskiy? The stand-up comic? Really?

[–]Inuma 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

You ignoring the stocks by your pedantry merely exposes how little you know of the issue of what they're using along with what Ukraine has in abundance.