Russia claims Ukraine behind fatal missile attack

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[–]Inuma 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (30 children)

How could that possibly be the case if they don't actively use them now?

You misread the PDF. That's RUSSIA that doesn't have them.

Ukraine does.

[–]neomarxist_bullshit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (29 children)

Russia (Soviet Union) manufactured them.

[–]Inuma 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (28 children)

The USSR broke up in the 90s. The Russia now isn't the Russia then and those blueprints for older missiles are indeed with Ukraine. As it stands, they have about 90+ of them. Hence, the serial number point I brought up earlier.

[–]neomarxist_bullshit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (27 children)

The Russia now isn't the Russia then

Just pointed out the fact that ex-communist countries have depots full of old Soviet stuff, and it's being given to Ukraine because they can operate it. (So the argument "but it's not in active use" is not very persuasive.)

My guess is it's similar in Russia - they still have their old equipment, because where would it go?

[–]Inuma 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (26 children)

You're free to think that but as explained, their stocks for the old one shows that they don't use that one. They use the Iskander one. So until you show something more convincing besides what they're currently using (including their hypersonic missiles), the point remains that Ukraine has the T-U in abundance which were more likely used by them in yet another provocation.

[–]neomarxist_bullshit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

their stocks for the old one shows that they don't use that one

You're reiterating a moot point. Saying it multiple times doesn't make it true.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

What's the "evidence" for your side? The legacy "media" propaganda machine? Whatever they say, it's probably false. Zelenskiy? The stand-up comic? Really?

[–]neomarxist_bullshit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Common sense. Russia has been the manufacturer of these weapons, they likely still have them.

[–]AXXA[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Tochka-U missiles were not made by Russia. They were made by the Soviet Union.

[–]neomarxist_bullshit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Soviet Union = Russia + a bunch of other soviet republics. Where are you going with this?

[–]Inuma 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

You ignoring the stocks by your pedantry merely exposes how little you know of the issue of what they're using along with what Ukraine has in abundance.

[–]neomarxist_bullshit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

You ignoring the stocks

I'm really surprised that on this site where every second person is a conspiracy theorist someone seriously insists that if something is not on some official list, it doesn't exist.

[–]Inuma 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I'm not surprised that a person ignorant of how military stocks work wants to insist on a false claim they can't back up.

[–]neomarxist_bullshit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

ignorant of how military stocks work

Please explain. Why exactly can't Russia still have their old equipment?