Russia claims Ukraine behind fatal missile attack

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[–]neomarxist_bullshit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (35 children)

With a missile they don't even have in stock...

Source? Simple googling suggests otherwise.

Which Ukraine has a multitude of which you can follow the serial number to the group that launched it...

Will be interesting what comes out of that. I doubt that Ukraine would want to kill its own.

[–]Inuma 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (34 children)

Here's their supply list

Even further, their missiles are the Iskander ones, not the older T-Us.

I doubt that Ukraine would want to kill its own.

Dude... They kill anyone close to Russia and have been attributed to the deaths of 14,000 according to the UN.

[–]neomarxist_bullshit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (33 children)

Here's their supply list

Even further, their missiles are the Skander ones, not the older T-Us.

So... if there's some official list it means Russia definitely can't use anything else?

[–]Inuma 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (32 children)

They'd have to refit what's out there for their older models compared to what Ukraine already has.

[–]neomarxist_bullshit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (31 children)

Former communist countries have been delivering old Soviet equipment to Ukraine. How could that possibly be the case if they don't actively use them now?

Russia probably still has depots full of these missiles.

[–]Inuma 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (30 children)

How could that possibly be the case if they don't actively use them now?

You misread the PDF. That's RUSSIA that doesn't have them.

Ukraine does.

[–]neomarxist_bullshit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (29 children)

Russia (Soviet Union) manufactured them.

[–]Inuma 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (28 children)

The USSR broke up in the 90s. The Russia now isn't the Russia then and those blueprints for older missiles are indeed with Ukraine. As it stands, they have about 90+ of them. Hence, the serial number point I brought up earlier.

[–]neomarxist_bullshit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (27 children)

The Russia now isn't the Russia then

Just pointed out the fact that ex-communist countries have depots full of old Soviet stuff, and it's being given to Ukraine because they can operate it. (So the argument "but it's not in active use" is not very persuasive.)

My guess is it's similar in Russia - they still have their old equipment, because where would it go?

[–]Inuma 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (26 children)

You're free to think that but as explained, their stocks for the old one shows that they don't use that one. They use the Iskander one. So until you show something more convincing besides what they're currently using (including their hypersonic missiles), the point remains that Ukraine has the T-U in abundance which were more likely used by them in yet another provocation.