Caitlyn Jenner dismisses criticism of trans athlete stance: I 'had the balls to stand up for women' in sports

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[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (17 children)

Jenner would take his balls out of women's spaces and take off his woman costume if he truly cared about women.

[–]wristaction 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's the thing with him: his balls aren't in anyone else's space. He's a very wealthy boomer. Like all aristocrats, he is free to pursue every decadent whim completely without limiting social interactions.

Jenner, in particular if you've followed his public statements, really has no political ideas about his fetish. That's why they had to assign "Jenny" Boyland to his reality show.

[–]Pomegranate 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If he publicly detransitioned it would be headline news and draw a lot of a much needed attention to detransitioners. Possibly the only redeeming thing he could do at this point.

[–]wristaction 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sadly true. But he'll never have to. He is surrounded by affirming parasites.

The only thing to do with him is to pretend he doesn't exist and educate normies who get conned into tolerating him as a culture war 'asset' for Team Red.

[–]AXXA 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

How does Jenner living as a women affect biological women? She's not participating in women's sports. It's her right to live her private life how she wants to live. If you truly cared about her then you would respect her right to live how she wants to live.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Because he still enters women's bathrooms and insists on being referred to as a woman when he's not. Jenner has a fetish called autogynephilia (a man who gets turned on by thinking of himself as a woman -- most trans-identified males are autogynephiles), and he's forcing the whole world to participate in this fetish by conducting himself the way he does. It's no different than if he was a sadomasochist who forced everyone to call him "master" or "daddy".

[–]Jackalope 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

he's forcing the whole world to participate in this fetish by conducting himself the way he does. It's no different than if he was a sadomasochist who forced everyone to call him "master" or "daddy".

This is probably the best analogy I have heard yet. Well put.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks!

[–]AXXA 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

When Jenner made the video about using the bathroom at Trump Tower it looked like it was a single occupancy bathroom. What difference does it make which bathroom she uses if she uses a single occupancy bathroom? I support restrictions on who can use multiple occupancy bathrooms. But for single occupancy bathrooms she should be allowed to use the bathroom that she is most comfortable using.

I didn't find any source supporting your claim that she has autogynephilia. Do you have any sources that support your claim for that? She isn't living as a woman in a sexually provocative manner. She's simply living as a woman. The fact that you look at her in a sexual manner is about you not her.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I didn't find any source supporting your claim that she has autogynephilia. Do you have any sources that support your claim for that? She isn't living as a woman in a sexually provocative manner. She's simply living as a woman. The fact that you look at her in a sexual manner is about you not her.

Jenner identifies as a "trans lesbian" (aka straight man), and there's evidence -- both scientific and anecdotal, from my experience transitioning -- that so-called "transbians" are autogynephiles. It starts with a crossdressing interest/sissy porn fetish, which leads to rapid-onset "gender dysphoria", which leads to transition. Plus, most autogynephiles are late transitioners who led very masculine lives pre-transition. Jenner fits the description of autogynephilia to the T.

[–]AXXA 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Jenner identifies as a "trans lesbian"

That's actually false. She doesn't identify as a lesbian. She identifies the other way around. She says she's not attracted to men because she's not homosexual. That would suggest that while she lives as a woman, in her private sex life she sees herself as male. That and the fact that you don't have any direct evidence means that it's likely she doesn't have autogynephilia.

[–]Jackalope 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If you truly cared about her then you would respect her right to live how she wants to live.

I do, I personally don't care what other people do when it doesn't violate anyone else's rights. I do not desire to stop people from becoming trans if they desire, nor do I want to limit their rights in any way. They should be free to live how they want.

However, I generally agree with what NoMorePatriarchy is saying here regarding forcing other people to use language and pronouns that conform to someone else's ideas about gender. I have no problem tolerating this, but demanding I use made-up nonsense pronouns like 'they' or 'zhe' starts becoming totalitarian. I am even willing to be respectful and not use the 'wrong' pronouns, (I tend to not use pronouns at all, and just use the name in these situations) but a sex change does not make anyone a woman in my eyes (I wouldn't have sex with one, and that should not make me a bigot).

[–]AXXA 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree. For me generally speaking, freedom of speech is paramount. The speaker has a right to use the pronouns that expresses their thoughts. If the speaker wants to express respect for how a person lives their life then they will try to use a pronoun that matches. But if they have other thoughts they want to express then a different pronoun might be better suited. It's up to the speaker to decide how they want to express themselves. Every person has the right to freedom of speech.

[–]BossBrick 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

he

[–]AXXA 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I agree that she is a biological man. I use the 'she' pronoun to show my respect for how she chooses to live her life.

[–]BossBrick 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

you shouldn't indulge people's delusions

[–]AXXA 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't see her as being deluded. But if that's the way you see it then you should be free to use the pronouns that express that. We should both be free to use the pronouns that express our thoughts.

[–]BossBrick 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

facts and truth matter to me. And the fact is he is a man and should be addressed as such

[–]buffalo_fart_the_IV 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh Bruce you faggot

[–]RandumbZer0 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Had being the operative word.

[–]BravoVictor 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Key word there is "had".

[–]monkeymagic 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

it’s important that you listen to this bitch because she ran fast at one time

[–]Brewdabier 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If a dude can make in in the world just become a woman, then be better than all woman in sports.