Ukraine Says Russia Has Launched a 'Full-Scale' Invasion

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[–]fschmidt 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

God bless Putin for defending Russia against depraved western scum.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

The guy has literally no choice in the matter. As for shelling most of the Ukraine, it remains to be seen if that is actually Russian shells or a U.S. false flag. You know they really like these.

[–]On-Point 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Stop eating paint chips.

[–]On-Point 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Does Vladimir Petunia make you swallow?

[–]HiddenFox 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I wonder how long it will take for us to get the full picture of what is truly going on.

It's almost ironic that the post below this was the leaked call from the state department from 2014 talking about how they are manipulating the Ukraine elections.

I think time will tell the story that the US is neck deep in the cause of this... I'm not saying Russia is innocent, just that the US made the situation with the coup they started in 2014.

[–]jet199 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Not everything is about the USA.

If it's about 2014 then why invade now and not then?

It's nothing to do with that. It's about power and weakness, that's it.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not sure if you're familiar with the background of what's going on here but the thing they don't mention is when the USSR was collapsing and couldn't maintain control over their member states, the US swore we wouldn't place NATO in their territory. The SecState I think made those promises. We totally ignored that since Russia couldn't do much about it anyways.

We reignited the old issue by talking about including Ukraine in NATO, which if Russia didn't do anything, is probably what would have happened.

[–]HiddenFox 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Russia did invade, they annexed Crimea in 2014. Which in hindsight seems more like retaliation for the coup. To me Russia's responses are based in a timeline of years. USA helps install a pro west government in 2014, Russia takes Crimea. Then Russia waits and sees if Ukraine gets "the message".

An election cycle later and the pro west government still sits in power and is now talking about joining NATO. What does Russia do now? They increase their "messaging". They invade the eastern border and probably will attack the capital in response.

Don't get me wrong, I'm pro west on this issue. Despite all the flaws of the USA and the west I still believe that western political society and it's ruling class are preferable to the Russian's version. But I can understand were Russia would be coming from. I'm sure if say...Cuba was to join a military alliance with Russia (or China) and they started placing military assets (Like missiles) into Cuba's territory we might just find ourselves in a near world ending scenario... again...

Russia doesn't want a western military ally right on its border any more then the USA would have a Russian ally right next to them.

[–]adultmanhwa 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

pro west is wrong, pro peace is the truth.

[–]Zvezda 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There were Minsk II agreements that were signed by everyone involved, but Ukraine didn't implement for 8 years, allowing them to basically continue as before by bombing Donbass regions. Russia got tired of Russians dying and for safety (as it has been about since the beginning) are making sure Ukraine and NATO have no chance to try anything. Especially with a country as politically unbalanced as Ukraine

[–]jamesK_3rd 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Why on earth do you think we will ever get the picture of what is going on..

The US govt is actively fighting for big pharma to hide data, and only release a few documents every month for the next hundred years to obfuscate the truth.

[–]HiddenFox 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We eventually got to the truth with Iraq I think the same will happen with Ukraine given enough time.

As for big pharma data I'm about 95% sure they were order by court to release all the Pfizer data over the next 8 months. God bless Texas!

https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/paramount-importance-judge-orders-fda-hasten-release-pfizer-vaccine-docs-2022-01-07/

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

They say it's just about the Donbass region (far southeastern Ukraine) which is more ethnically russian, which it is.

However, Russia has just exploded missiles near Kiev, which is the capital of Ukraine in the middle, far from the east, and then they sent six helicopters and attacked an airbase near Kiev. In addition to all the stuff they're doing in the Donbass region. So it looks like they're going to try and take the whole country... Unless it was a limited strike and they're going to stop at the Donbass region. They didn't stop when they took Crimea, so why would they stop after Donbass? At least Donbass is half ethnically Russian, but they have no reason for bombing Kiev.

They've already killed 18 Ukrainian civilians from shelling, is what I've heard. And that was just in the region near Kiev. edit: Odessa

If it stops at Donbass, it might be a new stalemate situation. But if they go for Kiev, literally all of NATO will basically be forced to get involved, contractually.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

But if they go for Kiev, literally all of NATO will basically be forced to get involved, contractually.

NATO is under no obligation to Ukraine. Biden already ruled out a direct military response. Unless they threaten buffer countries like Poland and Latvia an armed response is off the table. What we're trying to do is make it cost Russia big time, hopefully make it too costly. Unfortunately Russia imported billions in currency, they prepared for this financial siege.

This is fun to watch, the Russian exchange index. It's good for us when it's tanking, it going up is bad. You can see a recovery now as they are feeling pretty confident we're all a bunch of pussies who won't do anything.

Edit: oh wait... Something might have happened. Goddamned fintech knows before we do, but the recovery looks stalled. Very dynamic situation.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh that's right they're not in NATO, good point. Putin just wanted them not to join, because they were considering it from what I understand. I think maybe that's why Putin made his move now, before Ukraine officially joined NATO?

The Russian stock market just permanently halted trading for all markets, I heard. For an indefinite amount of time. After it fell 45% or so. And the value of the ruble is crashing.

The sanctions are coming out hardcore from the west, but I'm not sure how much good it will do. I just hope they stop at the Donbass region and don't try to take Kiev. They were attacking a military airport near Kiev with a half-dozen helicopters though.

I imagine China will eventually side with Russia over this, but Russia is going to lose a lot of European commerce. Not sure if it will impact them enough to make them stop taking land. The best way this could work out is that Russia takes the Donbas region, stops, and then in 5 years everything is back to normal. Kind of like how China successfully took Tibet. If they overreach, it's going to be bad though.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Is it Russia or is it a false flag though? We know that Russians are in the separatist regions, but the shelling all over the rest of the country? It could easily be a false flag.

[–]On-Point 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Stop eating paint chips.