Spotify to Take Down Neil Young’s Music After His Joe Rogan Ultimatum

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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Neil Young is taking a stand against science and reason.

The opposite.

Ivermectin does have good results though

Your sources on this aren't trustworthy, nor is ivermectin necessary or proven useful

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Your sources on this aren't trustworthy, nor is ivermectin necessary or proven useful

We aren't talking about that second part at all, it is irrelevant if it works. Peace of mind is more than adequate reason to prescribe a harmless placebo. The question is if Ivermectin is safe. CNN likes to say it's dangerous in high doses, that's misleading..

It's been used since the 80s, has an excellent safety profile. I've taken it before, Gizmo has taken it for mites. In fact, it was one of only drugs we could use on a 9 week old kitten without killing him. It didn't work but it didn't nearly kill him like Frontline.

It's such a well tolerated medicine, you don't need to actually test for the condition you're treating. You just give Ivermectin and see if it helps. That's how it was before things got political.

Show me some pubmed data that ivermectin is more dangerous than Tylenol or cold medicine or any other number of meds nobody would think twice about administering on the chance they might help.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I suppose we could discuss ivermectin until the cows come home, but it's not important. At issue is misinformation about vaccines, thanks to which Young and 100s of doctors are letting Spotify know that the misinformation is dangerous, that it's part of a campaign to get people not to take vaccines. (The focus on ivermectin is also a campain to get people not to take vaccines.) The problem is that those who are not taking the vaccines are helping to spread COVID, which can therefore spread to people with other health problems who could suffer more serious life-long problems and could die. It's dangerous to spread misinformation.

Rogan knows what he's doing. He also knows that it's the reason he's getting $100+ million to spread that misinformation. Meanwhile, he's helping spread COVID, which is harming people, and in some cases, severely harming and killing people. Those on Saidit who support this also tend to agree with other right-wing misinformation campaigns, which support increasing extreme income inequality, making the 1% richer, while ruining the lives of the 99%. Saiditors need to see the big picture, rather than help the 1% push their propaganda and screw over the 99%.

If Saiditors vote for Republicans in the mid-term elections, this will certify the destruction of the 99% for 2 more years thereafter. We were already facing this under Trump. Look at who benefitted during that period and at who got much poorer. And now, with Manchin, Sinema, and ALL of the GOP, there are continued obstructions of democratic processes that would have pulled the US out of the econoic disasters developed by the GOP under Trump. The majority of Saiditors need to see what the 1% is doing to them, and how they are agreing with misinformation and disinformation that is destroying the lives of the 99%.

[–]thoughtcriminal 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

misinformation is dangerous

In what way? Quantify it. How many people have died because of Joe Rogan's podcast? 0? 1? 100? 1000?

The focus on ivermectin is also a campain to get people not to take vaccines.

The focus against ivermectin in a campaign to get people to take the vax and ignore other treatments. Ivermectin is a generic drug anyone can produce, it costs $0.01 per dose. Meanwhile Pfizer has made $35 billion on their proprietary vax, which they also refuse to distribute in poor countries that can't afford to pay for it (fuck those 99% though as long as they don't use horse paste amirite?). Every major news network telling you about this "dangerous misinformation" is sponsored by Pfizer. Follow the money.

Japan has started using ivermectin as early treatment with good results. But I guess the entire health ministry of Japan fell for dangerous misinformation too...

those who are not taking the vaccines are helping to spread COVID

The only correlation between vaccine uptake and spread is a small positive correlation in highly vaccinated populations. Anecdotally the reduce the spread, but there isn't good evidence to support this claim. Gibraltar has nearly a 100% vax rate and they had to cancel this last Christmas due to their high cases. Israel is in a similar spot.

Also who cares? The vaccines work right? So just get vaccinated yourself and you don't have to worry about interacting with the dirty and unpure anti-vax. You will be protected.

Rogan knows what he's doing.

Yes he does. He's having a candid and uncensored 3 hour conversation with his guests. And the West has fallen so far that we can't even bear that level of discussion or speech anymore without begging institutions to censor us.

he's helping spread COVID

Citation needed. You have no evidence of this.

Trump

It's 2022 my dude

And now, with Manchin, Sinema, and ALL of the GOP, there are continued obstructions of democratic processes

It's wild that you think that democratically elected representatives of states voting based on their beliefs and the beliefs of their constituents is an "obstruction of democratic processes." Especially when one of the bills attempting to pass would federalize elections, which is unconstitutional.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

One of the general threads of these arguments is that all of my points are wrong and baseless. So let's pick one: Rogan. The way in which misinformation spreads does not depend on the single source, or indeed one source within that spread of misinformaiton. The spread of disinformation is due to a network of activities, within which Rogan's influence is significant. See here examples of the ways in which misinformaiton and disinformation spreads:

https://digiday.com/media/fake-news-charts/

https://www.statista.com/chart/18540/responsibility-for-spreading-disinformation/

https://knowablemagazine.org/article/society/2021/how-online-misinformation-spreads

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/fake-news-problem-one-chart/

https://mediawell.ssrc.org/literature-reviews/how-misinformation-spreads/versions/1-0/

See also misinformation websites at /s/shitpostnews

[–]thoughtcriminal 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I never argued that misinformation doesn't exist or spread. I argued that what you're classifying as misinformation is wrong, and that you can't quantify any of the alleged negative effects of it despite qualifying it as dangerous.

The spread of disinformation is due to a network of activities

That network of activities is called the free exchange of ideas and it is by far the most powerful tool for open discourse and truth discovery. We are both able to discuss these "dangerous" issues like adults without either of us dying of covid or requiring an authority figure to "correct" classes of speech they deem misinformed as if they are the gatekeepers of truth. These same gatekeepers have been consistently factually wrong.

"Dangerous misinformation" has existed for as long as discourse has. It has existed in the town square, in the newspapers, on mainstream media. It has existed since the internet became popular. It existed 15 years ago when free speech was culturally supported and championed by the left.

It has never been a problem before. It only is now because authoritarians see an opportunity to crack down on free speech under the guise of protecting people from themselves. There are seemingly plenty of people who would happily give up their innate freedoms for the promise of a safety that can't even be quantified.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I provided the links because those offer quantified information. If you want me to gather a team to quantify the impact of Rogan's comments across social media, I'll have to get a major grant and report back in a few weeks. But this isn't necessary. You can hopefully identify misinformation and its consequences. It's above my paygrade to explain it.