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[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

Myocarditis is an adverse cardiac event but it's not the only one, and it goes to reason that not all possible events have even been considered to be a possible vaccine complication. One of my Aunts, not the cancer one, but a different one unexpectedly died of a blocked valve. She had health issues, so nobody was shocked she died, but her heart wasn't one of them. Everyone was surprised that was what the surgeons needed to operate on. But only in passing has anyone considered it might have anything to do with her being vaccinated. How many people like that are there?

We'd need to look at all the cardiac events to see if the vaccine was a possible cause/ correlated, not take the word of an early study from Israel as gospel.

The studies, published this week in The New England Journal of Medicine, analysed data from Israeli residents aged 16 and older who received at least one dose of the COVID-19 vaccine made by drug company Pfizer in New York City and biotechnology firm BioNTech in Mainz, Germany, between December 2020 and May 2021.

Candidate for s/shitpostnews ;)

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

I am very sorry to hear of your aunt's passing. I would agree that - in geographic locations where patients and doctors aren't appropriately looking or tracking - it's very difficult to track 'causation' for vaccines and subsequent myocarditis or pericarditis, which would mean that we don't have thorough global statistics. In a number of 1st world countries, however, those who've taken the vaccine are asked to report back the second they feel a side effect, and indeed have to sit anw wait for 15 minutes after a jab before leaving a facility. The monitoring was reliable enough that a number of people under age 35 were reported to have myocarditis (in the Netherlands or Denmark?) in late 2020/early 2021. The result was the pulling of the vaccine (Astra-Zenica?) from distribution in that country and the avoidance of offering it to people under 35. The Israel article is related to those early concerns, and was provided here only because of a lazy search. If you look for - myocarditis pericarditis vaccine - you'll see much more helpful information: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-myocarditis-and-pericarditis-information-for-healthcare-professionals/information-for-healthcare-professionals-on-myocarditis-and-pericarditis-following-covid-19-vaccination . I think that NHS information is helpful, particularly as a way of showing how commen myocarditis has become, and showing that this can be a problem potentially for younger people, c. 12-19 years of age, though only in miniscule numbers of a few hundred per million. Other websites include more information about this research.

I don't think there is a conspiracy to hide side effects or not to address them, as medical professionals and scientists working with virology and vaccines over the past 100 years genuinely want to safely reduce the spread of viruses. To assume otherwise is to assume that many people in these professions are literally sociopaths. Propaganda news media want to spread paranoia, pessimism, hate and fear by implying that there are so many bad actors in these professions that you would be in serious danger were you to take the vaccine.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

medical professionals and scientists working with virology and vaccines over the past 100 years genuinely want to safely reduce the spread of viruses

You are literally defending fraudsters, it's right here: https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna32657347

The only people looking out for you are sadditors socks. No one else gives a flying fuck.

In an unusual twist, the head of the Justice Department, Attorney General Eric Holder, did not participate in the record settlement, because he had represented Pfizer on these issues while in private practice.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

I appreciate your point about Big Pharma, and the numerous problems with them, especially in the US, the only country I know where Big Pharma can advertise constandly on TV and can buy politicians without any consequence. My comments are specifically not mentioning Big Pharma, or Big Corp. My references are only to "medical professionals and scientists working with virology and vaccines over the past 100 years." Many of those folks aren't on Big Pharma payrols, but are instead part of universities &c, such as Oxford, where the Astra-Zenica vaccine was developed (and it too was not best for younger people). As for Pfizer and Big Pharma, and the link you provide, they too are working with scientifically valid approaches to vaccines. Notice that Phizer is guilty of a very common problem in Big Pharma: "illegal drug promotions that plied doctors with free golf, massages, and resort junkets." This has happened for decades. What about the science behind the production of vaccines? Any problem with that? This global development and test process for safe vaccines has been a scientific and medical process, not about illegal drug promotions. The Pfizer vaccine - as it happens - is one of the better versions of the vaccine. TL,DR: I am not referencing corrupt Big Pharma when I am referencing global scientific efforts to develop and test safe vaccines. If the latter were corrupted, we'd know. Moreover, there is no motivation to corrupt the scientific process for a vaccine, in 99% of the cases. To assume otherwise is rather paranoid and fearful of scientists and medical professionals.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

they should be transparent about the vaccine studies they did instead of wanting to wait 55 years to show them

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I agree, though perhaps this is patent-related. Nonetheless, everyone should have access to life-saving medical technology.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

so then there is motivation to corrupt the scientific process for a vaccine, profit motive

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Not the same as developing a proper vaccine. If the vaccine doesn't work, it won't be destributed. The profit motive would be to get the vaccine to work.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

besides working or not, it also causes heart problems, but they figure that's ok if it kills a few, they have done this in the past lying about dangerous medications. Then getting sued for it later but they have immunity on this, plus the media and govt helping them. They actually don't have a profit motive for their medical items to work, they don't want to cure diseases because then people won't have to keep giving them money. Can't allow private companies in the medical field, socialism explains why the profit motive is no good for them.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It doesn't really cause heart problems, if one considers how rare that side effect is. If you look for - myocarditis pericarditis vaccine - you'll see helpful information: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-myocarditis-and-pericarditis-information-for-healthcare-professionals/information-for-healthcare-professionals-on-myocarditis-and-pericarditis-following-covid-19-vaccination

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Moreover, there is no motivation to corrupt the scientific process for a vaccine, in 99% of the cases. To assume otherwise is rather paranoid and fearful of scientists and medical professionals.

Disagree strongly. Pfizer has every incentive in the world to overstate the effectiveness of their experimental 'vaccine'. Did you forget when multiple big pharma companies were all competing? COVID is a gold rush. 90% of scientists everywhere are beholden to their corporate sponsors.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Certainly, Phizer is guilty of this promotion of the vaccine. I am not arguing arguing about the promotion.

What Pfizer cannot control are reports of responses to the vaccine.

Turns out that the Pfizer vaccine hasn't had the same kinds of occasional negative press that other vaccines have had, that the vaccine appears to be effective, and that it's rather popular in some countries that don't trust the other options for vaccines (AZ, Russian, Chinese &c versions).

So if we remove the usual discussion about crooked Big Corp and Big Pharma, a discussion of global approaches to virology and vaccine science will conclude that vaccines are safe and effective in 99.9% of the cases.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I guess it all depends on how you define safe and effective. I don't think it is prudent to lump a brand new mRNA covid shot into vaccines with 50 year+ track records.

Turns out that the Pfizer vaccine hasn't had the same kinds of occasional negative press that other vaccines have had

this is a terrible metric, for many reasons.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I hesitated to note 'occasional negative press'. News media haven't really criticized any of the vaccines. In the extremely rare cases where there had been a cardiac problem in younger people with the AZ vaccine, or another problem with the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, or with the effectiveness of the Chinese or Russian vaccines, these were all incredibly rare events. 8 billion doses of vaccines have been administered. The number of people who took a blood thinner to cope afterward with an adverse cardiac reaction is miniscule few dozen people, by contrast with 8 billion doses administered. (That's a metric, perhaps.)

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Sure I'm happy to admit maybe it is safe enough. But that's one problem of many with this entire covid narrative. You leave no room for doubt of the experts, you're like talking to a wall.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I believe it's very important to be sceptical. I waited until the latest possible time to get each vaccine, in order to wait for news of the potential side effects. I do the same with software updates. One problem and benefit of any technology today is that the complexity of its development involves numerous moving resources. There are of course crooks manipulating COVID information. What they cannot do is change the science.

There is however an impressively complex campaign of pseudoscience propaganda about genetic modification that requires some knowledge of science to discuss, but is also totally unrelated to the impact of mRNA vaccines. Still, it's a lot of detailed material for the anti-vax community to learn and believe in, and I wonder why they absolutely must go to that much trouble.