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[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Ethnic cleansing isn't ok just because the people you're doing it to are jerks.

The Israelis do indeed want to end these people. You just have to watch their rallies on video and in translation. It's like a Hitler rally. Obviously you only have one side of the story.

[–]Sendnoodles 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Ethnic cleansing isn't ok just because the people you're doing it to are jerks.

That's exactly the point I'm making. I know it's cool to hate the Jews and all, but that doesn't make it ok to kill them.

Also terrorist is not the same thing as jerks. Hamas are terrorists, not "jerks"

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

It's not hating Jews, as much as you dishonestly attempt to change the subject. It's about being opposed to an apartheid state. Nelson Mandela's ANC invented necklacing and it didn't affect the fact that South Africa was apartheid one bit.

Israel is an apartheid state. That's the point here. If you wish to make arguments against this point, I'll listen.

[–]Sendnoodles 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I'd say it's about being opposed to terrorists. Hamas is a terrorist organization.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

You changed the subject again.

Let's try again: Israel is an apartheid state. Agree or disagree? Why or why not? Present evidence.

[–]Sendnoodles 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Your original supposition is flawed. You frame as if you are correct and is my job to prove otherwise which is not the case. As far as my arguments go, I am not doing anything different from you, but you seem to have some problem with my discussion which would mean you have a problem with your own.

It is in Hamas mission statement that will Jihad against Israel until it is no longer in existence and they establish an Islamic caliphate, that they are not interested in coming to a solution, and even if they did it would only be temporary until they could fully destroy the rest of the country. This exactly the same things that Isis and Al Queada said. It also puts to rest any idea that it's not about religion to them, as it states several times in that same mission statement and it's companion material about the fundamental hate and dishonesty of "The Jews" and how it's impossible to ever have peace with them so not to even bother trying and make war instead. This is after allying with the Nazi's who literally tried (and somewhat succesfully did) wipe the Jew out of existence.

Vs.

A country who defends itself from attempted genocide and war crimes.

Hamas has been repeatedly offered solutions for peace and has rejected them due to the above stated goal. They have agreed to them only to break their agreements within days. They started a war, they were the aggressors. They are pretty much always the aggressors. Then they cry when they lose. They store and fire weapons from neighborhoods and hospital (completely illegal) then go crazy about how Israel is "killing babies" when they return fire......as if the entire situation wasn't under their control and of their planning, and as if firing rockets never killed anyone and they were just out for a nice stroll in the park. They try to kill you, then get mad when you try to kill them back. They are terrorists. The End.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

LOL. Once again, you changed the topic to one you prefer to argue.

Israel is an apartheid state. Agree or disagree? Why or why not?

This is actually the Prime Minister of Israel: "The weak crumble, are slaughtered and are erased from history while the strong, for good or for ill, survive." Slaughtering the weak.

https://twitter.com/IsraeliPM/status/1034849460344573952

[–]Sendnoodles 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I explained . It's not my job to answer to you. It's a loaded question. No one who wants to discuss anything in good faith would ever make such a declarative statement badly disguised as a question.

Hamas is a terrorist organization. Agree or disagree? Why or why not?

It's very telling that you can't address any of what I said. The PM statement is WEAK compared to the stuff I just posted, speaking of subject changing.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It's a loaded question. No one who wants to discuss anything in good faith would ever make such a declarative statement badly disguised as a question.

LOL you can't answer. And we all know why. Israel is an apartheid state. They have to be, to keep their blood pure. Israel is an alt-right ethnostate. States should not have an ethnic or religious character.

No matter how many times you change the topic to Hamas, it's not going to work.

[–]Sendnoodles 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

LOL you can't answer.

It's a loaded question. That's not how you have discussions. You're obviously trying to set up some gotcha moment where you imagine that you've proved some big point as well. Stop playing games if you wanna have big boy discussions.