This is actually the Prime Minister of Israel: "The weak crumble, are slaughtered and are erased from history while the strong, for good or for ill, survive." Slaughtering the weak.

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[–]Sendnoodles 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

It's not a made up definition, it is part of the definition. It can mean either.

As to the next part of your comment, it is way oversimplified and lacking A LOT of information. No Jews didn't just magically show up after WWII, they had a history there for thousands of years just like Palestinians did. The reason this land was given to them was because for their entire history, people had been trying to exterminate them. This included the Palestinians who were allied with the Nazi's during WWII. That's the kind of thing that happens when you lose a war over exterminating a certain race or religion from the earth.....sometimes there are consequences. They are still trying to exterminate them, despite throughout the 90's 2 state solutions were offered which were always either rejected or broken by the Palestinians. They still regularly make attacks on Israelis from civilian areas which is a war crime. They end up killing Palestinians in the process and just view it as collateral damage. When the Israeli's do it as a form of retaliation though, they act like victims and like they didn't provoke the whole thing, then try to get sympathy from the world by only telling half the story (like you are here). Truth be told, I don't really support Israel either, I'm just sick of consistently seeing only one side of the story presented when both parties are guilty.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

I used to support Israel, but turns out I only ever heard half the story.

sometimes there are consequences.

So there was ethnic cleansing, but it was OK because the Jews did it. Gotcha.

That's pretty much the Israeli position, actually. When we do it it's OK because it's absolutely necessary, but how dare anyone do the same to us.

[–]Sendnoodles 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

It's not. The Israelis want people who signed a rental contract with them and stopped paying off their property. The Palestinians want to end Jews. There's a difference.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Ethnic cleansing isn't ok just because the people you're doing it to are jerks.

The Israelis do indeed want to end these people. You just have to watch their rallies on video and in translation. It's like a Hitler rally. Obviously you only have one side of the story.

[–]Sendnoodles 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Ethnic cleansing isn't ok just because the people you're doing it to are jerks.

That's exactly the point I'm making. I know it's cool to hate the Jews and all, but that doesn't make it ok to kill them.

Also terrorist is not the same thing as jerks. Hamas are terrorists, not "jerks"

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

It's not hating Jews, as much as you dishonestly attempt to change the subject. It's about being opposed to an apartheid state. Nelson Mandela's ANC invented necklacing and it didn't affect the fact that South Africa was apartheid one bit.

Israel is an apartheid state. That's the point here. If you wish to make arguments against this point, I'll listen.

[–]Sendnoodles 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I'd say it's about being opposed to terrorists. Hamas is a terrorist organization.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

You changed the subject again.

Let's try again: Israel is an apartheid state. Agree or disagree? Why or why not? Present evidence.

[–]Sendnoodles 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Your original supposition is flawed. You frame as if you are correct and is my job to prove otherwise which is not the case. As far as my arguments go, I am not doing anything different from you, but you seem to have some problem with my discussion which would mean you have a problem with your own.

It is in Hamas mission statement that will Jihad against Israel until it is no longer in existence and they establish an Islamic caliphate, that they are not interested in coming to a solution, and even if they did it would only be temporary until they could fully destroy the rest of the country. This exactly the same things that Isis and Al Queada said. It also puts to rest any idea that it's not about religion to them, as it states several times in that same mission statement and it's companion material about the fundamental hate and dishonesty of "The Jews" and how it's impossible to ever have peace with them so not to even bother trying and make war instead. This is after allying with the Nazi's who literally tried (and somewhat succesfully did) wipe the Jew out of existence.

Vs.

A country who defends itself from attempted genocide and war crimes.

Hamas has been repeatedly offered solutions for peace and has rejected them due to the above stated goal. They have agreed to them only to break their agreements within days. They started a war, they were the aggressors. They are pretty much always the aggressors. Then they cry when they lose. They store and fire weapons from neighborhoods and hospital (completely illegal) then go crazy about how Israel is "killing babies" when they return fire......as if the entire situation wasn't under their control and of their planning, and as if firing rockets never killed anyone and they were just out for a nice stroll in the park. They try to kill you, then get mad when you try to kill them back. They are terrorists. The End.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

LOL. Once again, you changed the topic to one you prefer to argue.

Israel is an apartheid state. Agree or disagree? Why or why not?

This is actually the Prime Minister of Israel: "The weak crumble, are slaughtered and are erased from history while the strong, for good or for ill, survive." Slaughtering the weak.

https://twitter.com/IsraeliPM/status/1034849460344573952