all 9 comments

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I have statistical proof it isnt the flu. Total deaths in the US increased from 2.8 million in 2019 to 3.4 million in 2020. The increase is even higher if you look at the last 12 months. That increase roughly matches Covid deaths listed by the CDC. If COVID is really Influenza A or B then one of those viruses just got about 50x worse. It doesnt matter if you believe this is really influenza. The point is, its a new strain of virus that is killing half a million people instead of 10 or 15 thousand which is how many people the virus really kills.

Every flu season 90% of the country has virtually no flu. Flu only hits small regions every few years and each year only one or two regions are hit.

People’s behaviors changed in the last year, reducing the R0 of flu to drop enough that it never gained a foothold in any particular region. Its not really that unusual when you consider that flu really does not hit any particular region for years at a time.

Its ridiculous to compare mask mandate effects on covid cases from state to state. Why would anyone compare South Dakota to a place like Rhode Island?

Im tired of the statistical flim flam. Both sides are doing this. Its pure evil to abuse math in this way.

[–]RightousBob 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

The only reason you can reference 500k dead is because the ones doing the counting throw the label "covid related death" around like a frisbee. Died in a car accident? Covid death. Shot in the head? Covid death. Died of Cancer? Covid death. Eaten by a shark? Covid death. Has anyone even isolated the entire virus yet? Fuck outta here with your bullshit stats and your bullshit numbers from a bullshit organization that doesn't know up from fucking down. People get sick and people die, and no amount of mask wearing, re-naming and vaccination will ever change that. This entire shit show is a hype job on a neverending and nutural threat that our species has been LIVING with for ever. Wake the fuck up, you've been lied to and manipulated.

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

No that is exactly the opposite of what Im saying. Im saying that even if they are recategorizing deaths from car accidents and shark bites, OVERALL DEATHS, all causes, is up 20%, and you have no plausible theory for why that happened. Car accidents did not suddenly kill off an additional half million people. Death counts year to year dont vary more than 5% max. They killed a half million old people with a virus engineered by the NIH dummy. It was a fuckin bio-weapon. 6 people I know died of the flu in the last year and half of them were under 60. That is not normal.

Has anyone even isolated the entire virus

Are you one of these “germ theory is fake” fanatics? They isolated it. Its been isolated thousands of times. Its been isolated as much as anyone has ever isolated any virus. They’ve cultured it. Theyve taken pictures of it with an electron microscope. Theyve identified it through PCR process. There are 4 or 5 different technologies for “isolating” any virus and they have used all of them to analyze this virus. The problem is, you dont even know what is meant by isolating a virus! You throw this term around as if you do but you don’t.

Cite me a specific technology used to “isolate” viruses that hasn’t been used to confirm existences of SARS CoV 2. Go ahead.

Stop using gateway pundit as your primary scientific news source.

[–]RightousBob 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ive debunked this statistical turd so many times I just wish I saved it once and could just copy the response again and again. I dont even need to look at the link anymore. Its clear that people who cite Briands presentation HAVENT READ IT. Look at what her math is doing. This is a great example of how to lie with stats and charts.

She says the “death rate” hasnt changed much for any age group. What she means is that death from each age group have not changed much AS A PROPORTION of the over death “pie” although the “pie” (all death) has grown substantially. She doesn’t deny this. Her data is from the CDC which already showed a massive increase in death by September ( date of her presentation). This is a misleading use of “death rate”, intentionally IMO. Deaths went up for every age group PROPORTIONALLY.

She pushes the idea that because the normal variation of total deaths per week may vary plus minus 10 or 15% from the mean (50,000 to 70,000), i.e. the frequency chart of deaths per week is a normal bell curve, that it was typical to see weeks with 70,000 or 80,000 dead people because “normal variation” is a thing. This is also deceptive, because since April the data in her analysis showed that EVERY SINGLE WEEK had between a 10 and 40% increase in deaths compared to all previous weeks of death data. That is not “normal variation”, that is a signal shift. You cannot explain away such a long consistent trend as variation or “noise” which is what she is attempting to do. The probability that such a trend is the result of random variation in the old signal is essentially zero. Its flim flam perpetrated on people that dont understand that she is delivering the “normal variation” argument. Like you.

I double checked her claims about cardiac deaths on the CDC site and there is no massive drop in cardiac related deaths as she claims. All other major causes of death stayed about the same once you subtract all covid related deaths. I dont know what specific death codes her charts are pulling from, but I checked the CDC data. There is no drop in heart attacks.

There were like 3 or 4 dishonest claims in that presentation that I pulled apart. I cant remember what all of them were. But there’s a start. Challenge me with any one of her dishonest claims specifically and I will tear it down. Because when you look at the numbers that are really going in to her shadey little metrics, its fake. Deceptive and misleading. Check for yourself.

She’s not making up data as far as I can tell. She’s presenting it deceptively. I used to do this shit for a living. Lie professionally with excel spreadsheets. So I know what Im looking for.

[–]Osiriskills88 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Ya Im sure lockdowns, job losses, people falling into poverty, crime rates rising, many things other than a virus, would have any affect on people dying! Rolls Eyes* When things like the great depression occurred, I don't think anyone would be surprised if the death rate rose 20% throughout years of such struggle. On top of it, elderly people must be truly hurting if they are forced into isolation and are unable to see their family for a year plus. I would assume such isolation would probably cause elderly people such harm that the may even pass away from such traumas they are forced into by their "caretakers". Ive lost elderly people in my family this year, and it wasn't from any virus. I will say that much.

[–]InvoluntaryHalibut 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Lockdowns, job losses, people falling into poverty, crime rates rising, many things other than a virus, would have any affect on people dying!

No that would not increase the death count 20%.

Besides you can see the age of people who are dying. There has not been large increase of deaths in people in age groups that tend to die from crime and people who are working age that lost jobs.

Im sure that some old people have died from increased isolation but it aint 20%.

Several people I know died this year. Two were old people who did not die of covid. One was cut off from friends and family in a nursing home, one was not. I know 3 other relatively healthy older people who died of covid. I also know two younger people who died of covid.

These arguments are fucking riduculous. You must be living on a mountaintop to not know anyone who has died from covid at this point. Why don’t you just admit that this is way worse that the flu and millions of old people are dying from it?

You are trapped in this hegelian dialect where you think if you acknowlege that this is a bad virus that it means you have to support lockdowns and mandatory face diapers and shit. It absolutely doesn’t.

[–]fschmidt 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Total deaths in the US increased from 2.8 million in 2019 to 3.4 million in 2020.

Source?

[–]hfxB0oyA 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Very not statistical proof. I suppose it may prove that they are both airborne viruses, but correlation, as they say, is not proof of causation.