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[–]Poofter 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

Oh noooo a corporation might have to pay their employees a living wage, now what?? 🥺🥺🥺 how will they afford their vacation home in Malibu?

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Easy. They just employ less people and get more tech in to cover which roles they can.

That's what happens in the high wage economies in Europe. They have pretty constant unemployment rates of between 10% and 20%.

You just have to decide if you want to live in a low wage economy where most people can get a job but most don't have a lot of money or a high wage economy where its hard to get a job but if you do it's easy to live a comfortable life but then up to 20% have very little and they get all the mental health problems which come with being unemployed.

[–]TheEvilNick 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

let me ask you, a living wage to do "what exactly"? Flip Burgers?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Have you worked in the fast food industry? I wish to christ my dentist or doctor would even put a quarter of that effort into their jobs.

[–]TheEvilNick 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

yes in high school. then I grew up. you realize fast food jobs aside management are meant to be temp or starter jobs in life. i will agree there are jobs that should pay their employees more but that also comes into the side of the employees using some sort of bargaining power. If there is a skill required or the job is extremely laborious then there should be a "decent wage". Or you use that position for experience to work into something better. a lot of the owness is on the individual as well.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

When I was a cook I was on my feet 16 hours a day, prepping, cleaning, cooking, the craziness during the rushes is insane. There's always something to do. I'd get home and fall asleep in my apron.

It's honest work, it deserves honest pay. Fuck that "starter job" bs.

[–]TheEvilNick 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

huh, you said "when I was". Meaning youre not anymore. So I guess you moved on and out. Also a cook is different than a "Chef". My mothers husband is an executive chef and made a great salary until they opened their own place. He can easily go back into that business and demand his pay. You usually start at the bottom with the worst work then move up or out to better. What do you do now? If you are talking about a cook in a fast food chain, Im sorry but that isnt actual skilled labor.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'm not arguing it's skilled labor, I just think even unskilled labor deserves a fair wage. Not to be a broken record, but that's what it comes down to.

Meaning youre not anymore

I couldn't do that kind of work now, not without a painkiller habit. It's physically and mentally demanding. Although I think I'd throw everything I had left into a food truck. Bit of a dream, although they're risky.

What do you do now?

Now I'm just fiddling around with crypto.

[–]TheEvilNick 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

a food truck is risky but crypto isnt lol (just funny).

Do the food truck, right now they are is unusually HIGH demand due to covid rules. The ones near me are making a KILLING. Just follow the trends and sell it when the market is good. Just like crypto.

Id like to get into crypto a bit honestly. I play with stocks here and there and do "okay" but I dont have the free time to consistently watch a stock to day trade. Nor the money in my trade account to do it. I was getting penalized constantly for "day trading" when I wasnt allowed.

Hard labor doesnt always mean sight after. Its usually paid lower because anyone off the street can come in and do it. Its easily replaceable. Also why do you think the government loves these caravans coming in so much, different topic and debate Im sure. Once we run out of americans who will do the hard labor they have a constant influx of illegals coming in to do it keeping the wages down. Keep the supply up and the demand for higher wages goes down. If people who really wanted to fight for 15$ an hour wanted to make it count they would also be much more anti illegal immigration.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

a food truck is risky but crypto isnt lol (just funny

That does seem funny, but I know I can make money in crypto. Right now it's not even hard, just about everything has been sky rocketing because of the GME incident and Tesla. On the other hand there is a saying: if you want to make a small fortune in the restaurant industry, start with a large fortune.

If I do get one, I'll probably change my tune about $15/hr minimum wage lol.

The ones near me are making a KILLING

That's awesome, it's a little hit or miss here because it's a saturated market. Location is incredibly important. The ones near bars and in gas station parking lots do pretty good.

Id like to get into crypto a bit honestly

It's easy these days, a number of platforms now handle all the details for you. You don't have to day trade, that's short term capital gains anyways. I got into it a few years back when I had to buy kratom with bitcoin. I had some change leftover and I forgot about the account. Next time I look at it my .28 was $200. From change. I did a few more investments, nothing big, but as soon as Gamestop happened, I knew people were going to turn there

[–]Poofter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Any fulltime job. Why the fuck does it matter what it is? A person working full time deserves to live

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The problem is that the minimum wage hurts small businesses. I say get rid of it, along with our broken welfare system, and institute a universal basic income instead. The rich would pay for it instead of struggling business owners.

[–]Poofter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

So the only way small businesses survive is if they don’t pay their employees living wages?!

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

For many of them: yes. That's why the government should pay them instead.

[–]Poofter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So the government should pay for a business’ workers when we can’t even fund public schools?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

My school was well-funded, and I live in a poor, rural area. Education is a state's rights issue, so perhaps Arkansas is just better at it than your state. Our high-school graduation rate is also ninety-one percent on average, which is three points higher than the national average.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

false. and min wage should be $24 an hour if it kept up with inflation

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The minimum wage was originally $0.25 in 1938, which would be $4.61 in 2021. It was raised to $0.75 in 1949, which would be $8.17. It was $1.60 in 1968, which would be $12.27. Not sure where you got $24.

Sources:

Notes:

  • I used January for inflation calculations.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

nah that tries to ignore important things like food and energy costs, is to be ignored.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You said inflation, not cost of living. If you said cost of living: that's what I would've looked at.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, $15/hr was what it was a decade ago. I haven't confirmed it's $24, but it makes sense it's not the same.

[–]TheEvilNick 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

the best is people pushing for this dont realize how an economy really works and that once 15$ is given to fast food workers they are instantly just going to be replaced by machines. Wait staff, if included in this, will NEVER get tips. I know Im not going to bother. Prices on everything will jump, and jobs will be lost. People now making 15$ an hour will be paying more for basic commodities yet be pushed out of federal assistance programs because they make too much money.

On top of that, people who worked harder will not be getting pay bumps. So those in trades or with college degrees will now be making even less by comparison on top of also paying more for the same items. then on top of that end up paying more in taxes when its all done because now these 15$ an hour people will still need your money to help them.

My question is why doesnt everyone who works in a low wage field, go take classes, start a small business or learn a trade in their off time to further themselves economically? Is it FOMO? Do they think theyll miss too much twitter and tik toking if they use their spare time to become more successful?

I worked 2 jobs and put myself through school on top of starting my own property rental business. I dont feel sorry for anyone not willing to do what I did, cause......

[–]jet199 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Mostly these people have other priorities than getting rich such as being an present member of their family/community or caring.

Not everyone wants to move up the social scale. Indeed those who do often don't end up happier because they lose some of the support network which people who stay in one place on one track create.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Capitalism is anti-family, just like Communism.

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Having a job isn't capitalist though.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Capitalism rewards you for spending less time with your family and for abandoning family values in the name of profit.

[–]TheEvilNick 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

lol, your comment is so fucking retarded lol, and lol again. so basically you choose what you choose. If you choose to stay in a low paying position then its your choice. lol lol lol.

[–]jet199 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

It is your choice in the West.

Everyone has access to education and the option to change their job unless they are being kept as a literal slave.

But as I said it's not just a case of one choice, it's what you lose and what discomfort and risk you have to put up with if you do something like move to a different city or start another career from the bottom.

I mean have you ever done that?

About 5 years ago I switched career and started right back at minimum wage but now I'm earning double what I was. It was a risk and I was living in someone's garage for a year to save on rent but if I didn't take that risk I'd have been poor my whole life.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My question is why doesnt everyone who works in a low wage field, go take classes, start a small business or learn a trade in their off time to further themselves economically?

Because we still need low-skill workers; we have to maintain to class system to keep society functional. Communism tried to remove it, and it didn't end well. The best solution is to make low-skill labor viable again — which a minimum wage doesn't do, but forcing everyone to become a business owner is just naive.

Replacing the minimum wage and broken welfare system with a UBI or NIT (or both) seems like a much better option than forcing struggling business owners to foot the bill, or just telling everyone to start a business.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

if jobs go away must mean it's time for a new new deal

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

We don't need a new deal, we need to share our wealth!

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

yup these boomers don't realize they had it so good cuz of the new deal

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

on top of starting my own property rental

I meant to ask you a question about that. I posted in your sub a few days ago. My apartment complex changed their online bill pay site and didn't tell us, I tried to pay with a check and they wouldn't take it, and then after 3 phone calls we finally got told the right web site. We paid, but later that day we got a Notice to Vacate. This apartment complex sends those out any time anything happens. Like when they think they need an update on our renter's insurance (it never changes) they don't ask, they send an eviction notice.

So my question is, what the fuck is up with that?

[–]TheEvilNick 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Wellllllllllllllllllll I am prob the first person to be banned from said it lol so I wont get direct questions or responses to those subs anymore lol. I had to recreate this account and can no longer give myself mod access to the subs I created.

Im a smaller based LL (I also dont really like using the term landlord. Im basically management and maintenance). For larger complexes they use outsourced property management companies to handle office stuff and everything is usually auto generated from a system. So some person in a chair gets an alert your late and then a notice is stamped and put in the mail. A notice means dick and wont affect anything.

As for not telling you its going to be their word against yours. They will say a letter went out, or some email etc etc. You will say you never got it. If you have a good standing with the place they will usually let it slide and waive the late fees and the notice just goes away if they dont start proceedings. A notice has really nothing to do with the court system until after the 30 days and the building goes and files official paperwork. Each state may differ a bit though. The notice to vacate was probably already being processed by someone else while you were talking to your person.

tenants have to protect themselves and remember so do landlords. The courts are NOT usually on the LLs side even if they are good ones. We have to be sure all paper work is filed promptly and correctly or we can be stuck with an awful tenant because the courts decide to make our lives hell. its not a personal thing, remember for every good landlord there are 10 bad ones, for every good tenants there are a hundred bad ones. the odds are just stacked against us so we have to be super on top of everything.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

How retarded do you have to be to publicly admit to ban evasion?