Government outlaws freelance work

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[–]whistlepig 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Wondering if people registering themselves as an LLC is an option in California?

Still a pain of course... but would that help most? Or is it not so simple in California?

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

That would certainly get you around the law. In fact all the freelance workers can "work" for the same LLC. The LLC would be the "full time" employer and they can pay dues to fund all the government imposed benefits they get. The freelancer would still do the same work but the check would get made out to the LLC and then get paid out to the freelancer. It's a doable system. The problem is that the actual cost of the government imposed benefits would mean that the freelancers won't be able to afford the necessary dues to pay for such a system.

But hey, as long as the evil rich people aren't taking advantage of the now unemployed and destitute masses I guess that's progress.

[–]whistlepig 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Those are some interesting ideas. I suppose they could keep the cost down by doing it in a co-op sort of way. Also, different states may be different, but where I'm at having the check written to your name opposed to the LLC name isn't a problem.

cost of the government imposed benefits

This is where I'm getting confused then. Wouldn't this mean that all businesses would have to charge for benefits when selling their product or services? My thinking was that the LLC thing would change it from freelance work to an invoiced service being sold. I'm in the graphics field and this is how I'm doing it. I'm not getting a 1099 from any of my clients anymore than McDonald's expects to get 1099's for selling you a hamburger.

now that I'm writing out my thoughts... does this mean that there is already California legislation forcing all businesses (including LLCs) to provide these benefits even if is owner operated and there are no employees?

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Any company with over 5 employees is required to provide certain benefits. The LLC would be responsible to provide those benefits. But I see your point about having a company with just you as an employee. Besides the paperwork being different and having to jump through all the hoops of forming a company I don't see why everyone can't just become their own company.

It guess it depends how the legislation is worded, but given that independent contractor is a form of owner operator and truckers (who generally have to set up LLCs to register their trucks) had to get special exemptions, my guess is that this loop hole is not viable. My guess is that if the customer is a company with more than 5 employees the LLC (or independent contractor) they are working with will no longer be allowed the "less than 5 employee" exemptions.

[–]whistlepig 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yea... I foresee the employee number "exemption" to not last very long unless there is a gross amount of public kickback regarding this. I pray this craziness doesn't spread to where I'm at. It would put me out of business. I haven't been able to afford health insurance since Obama outlawed my plan. Or at least not afford it and afford other things I value more like building my savings.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

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[–]PeterBuilt 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

all of the frustrations that we are having is because the world and it's economies are crumbling.. we only have two dollars, but there are three people that are asking for four dollars each.. there is no solution..

people should be happy to be working at all.

in the future, you will be happy to find food and water.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic.

There is an artificial scarcity caused by a tiny percentage of uber wealthy hoarding wealth. Naturally if that wealth were released in a controlled manner to empower the rest of the world to prosper and produce there would be more than enough for everyone. This is, of course, a utopic ideal that can't be done. No one has the 5 stones to shape reality in that way. The frustration is the result of this inequality. But in that frustration people want to act as if they have the 5 stones and their retarded finger snapping will work. This is the result. More hardship. More inequality.

[–]TheEvilNick 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

the money is there, you need to have the initiative to go take it. people today have no initiative so the few people that DO just end up with more. If more people had the desire and energy to go work and start their own businesses then the wealth would naturally be spread. The issue is people today would rather play on tik tok and pretend to be intellectuals than work hard.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Listen Nick, I get that you are evil and that is your thing; and that's cool and all. But do you have to be SO evil? Can't we acknowledge that many people just aren't intelligent enough to run a successful business? Can't we acknowledge that everyone can't be the factory owner, that in fact most people will always need to be factory workers? If we could find a way to make that lifestyle, the only one that is honestly available to them, fairly compensated without unreasonable negative consequences then shouldn't we? Is there no room in your evil heart for a hypothetical universal good?

[–]TheEvilNick 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

can we acknowledge youre probably lazy? If more people started businesses then they could also pay workers what they wanted and help bring up the standard living wage. Instead we allow migrants to flood into the country dragging wages down......

I think youre mad at the wrong people. Why is logic so hard to understand. The real issue is people today are stuck in social media puberty and think everyone should be a kardashian making millions to tweet. Hard work is not respected and TBH almost frowned upon since the propulsion of the college machine.

whats also hard to understand that if the worker makes more then the product will cost more so we are technically always in the same boat.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If more people started businesses then they could also pay workers what they wanted

This just isn't rational. If all the low IQ people can't start a business then it is irrational to tell them to start a business and pay everyone more if they aren't happy with the wages they get.

Why is logic so hard to understand.

You struggle with it because you were not born with the gift of intelligence.

The real issue is people today are stuck in social media puberty and think everyone should be a kardashian making millions to tweet.

Perhaps you should re read what I already wrote until you understand that the issue is massive inequality. People are upset at the insanely disproportional collection of wealth and power in the hands of a tiny proportion of people. This is a valid concern and no amount of you pulling the bullshit claim that "its actually just this other stupid thing" is going to change that fact. You can't address reality so instead you fabricated a convenient lie about why others are upset to dismiss their concerns without thought. Shame on you.

whats also hard to understand that if the worker makes more then the product will cost more

What part of anything that I said makes you think that I don't understand that concept? You clearly don't even comprehend what I have said and are spitting out pre programmed arguments in an emotional rage. Calm the fuck down, then come back when you have the ability to read and understand basic English.

[–]TheEvilNick 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

IM not going to keep arguing with you on the topic because you seem to think the world is full of idiots. Not only that but we should be willing to pay them handsomely for being such idiots. Maybe theyre fucking stupid because they are lazy? Like ive been saying.

Are you low IQ? DO you have your own business? I would assume so or you would be low IQ to your logic..... By that same logic if we're producing SO MANY Low IQ people then WHY are so many people reproducing?

you dont grasp simple concepts like how an economy works. you simply sound like gimme gimme pubescent whining.

I can see you are low IQ and dont have your own business.

Calm the fuck down

lol this shows me you are getting angry over there, smash your keyboard/phone yet?

[–]TheEvilNick 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Im guessing this has something to do with claimed and unclaimed income and the state realizing theyre not getting all the tax revenue they think they deserve. I mean CA has so many vulnerable drug addicts to coddle. They need YOUR money.

[–]hetisachoice 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This was before Prop 22 passed.