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[–]StillLessons 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

The insanity of mandating the acceptance of elective life-changing medical procedures on confused (by definition) individuals is a symptom of a massive spiritual cancer in our society. Much more than the individuals trying to obtain these services (for whom I have sympathy for their extreme confusion and pain), I am horrified by the people in positions of authority (school administrators, parents, and DOCTORS, most especially) who are willing to irreversibly alter these people's lives to support an ideology that has almost no scientific proof of benefit. The medical professionals involved in this assault on people's bodies, in particular, are committing a massive breach of the most important tenet of responsible medicine: the benefits of the intervention must be demonstrably greater (real, solid evidence) than the potential associated harms. They are not even close to meeting this standard.

[–]SerpensInferna 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The mandate is insane. No wonder it keeps getting struck down, it is absolutely bonkers. However, having become somewhat familiar with the current insanity of trans ideology, I feel that it is a reflection of deluded and deranged minds trying to force their illness upon the rest of the world.

[–]ReeferMadness 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The problem is that leftists are destroying society with absolute bullshit and lies. Currently we have violent men simply saying they identify as women and getting transferred into women's prisons where they proceed to rape the other inmates. We have men simply claiming to identify as women to compete against women for sports scholarships, Grants and awards.

This legislation is simply trying to call out the worst bullshitters and abusers.

Why should we have such a system of absurdity that rewards the nastiest people in society?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That mandate was issued in 2016. It wasn't the left in power then.

[–]Nemacolin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Treating people politely & letting them earn a living is a cancer?

[–]jet199 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

How's a kid who's had an IQ drop of 10 points and has brittle bone disease at 20 going to earn a living?

Please remember to compare your ideology to reality occasionally.

Why would any decent human being be polite about doctors doing that to a disturbed person?

[–]Nemacolin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We try to polite to everyone, just as we hope they will be polite to us. Some Jewish guy said that was the way to do it.

[–]StillLessons 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I don't think you read my comment very carefully. I said I have great sympathy for those with gender dysphoria. I will always treat them kindly and politely, and have no trouble with anyone earning a living.

If that were all that is being demanded, you and I would not be having this conversation, for I would never have been drawn into these threads to begin with.

The spiritual cancer is the direct rejection of observed reality to accord with a quasi-religious belief structure. Male and female sex is a directly and intuitively understood classification of biological life backed by literally thousands of years of scientific inquiry. It is one of the fixed elements of the physical world in which we exist. We don't control it, and we never have. Sex is not and never was a human construction. We may describe it, but we did not create it, and we do not have the power to alter it.

The cancer is the arrogance to think that because our minds can conceive of a thing called gender - a set of behaviors we commonly associate with each sex, but which changes given cultural and environmental demands - that this conception of gender should be superior to sex, and it is mandatory that if someone wishes to cross their gender, that should be treated as superior to their natural sexual existence, up to and including medical interventions which cause physical harm to their body. Individuals (not all transgenders, but more than I'm comfortable with, for their sakes) are willing to go so far as to medically counter the natural progression of their physical form. When you counter a natural biological growth pattern, that is damage, because it's not programmed to work that way. Doctors of all people should know that we in truth understand so very little about how our bodies function in the first place. The fact that our bodies do what they do is insanely complex, and even left to their own devices, things far too often go wrong. To take such a delicately-balanced machine and make it more difficult for it to function?

That's the insanity. I describe it as cancerous, because cancer is rapid growth of non-healthy cells at the expense of healthy tissue. People mandating that doctors physically damage bodies that would - left to their own devices - likely grow naturally and in a healthy way as bodies have done for thousands of years? That strikes me as growing unhealthy cells (of society, if we look at it as a spiritual construct) at the expense of the naturally programmed healthy ones.

That's the cancer.

[–]Nemacolin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Have you spent a lot of time telling these people that they are mistaken, arrogant, and insane?

[–]HiddenFox 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I often wonder with reassignment surgery if the children who receive it will one day be aloud to sue their parents and/or doctors?

While there may be an incredibly small amount of children that benefit from this, I feel most are pushed into it. Hence why I see lawsuits in the future.

In all my years I have never meet an 8 ,9 or 10 year old who thought about this stuff at all. Nor a parent who has had to deal with this. My gut tells me there is a lot of influencing going on.

[–]Femaleisnthateful 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I predict a lot of lawsuits, but also a major health crisis and a lot of suicides. These kids are going to grow up permanently surgically altered and sterilized/ castrated, with no way to detransition if they want to, and with the negative health effects of years of puberty blockers and cross sex hormones.

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Walt Heyer says there's already been hundreds of lawsuits in the US but everyone has to sign up to secrecy so no one knows what's going on.

[–]HiddenFox 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I believe that. Any lawsuit would be hushed up but time.

[–]Inspector_Monkfish 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well it’s about time.

[–]Seahorse 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Is this for real? Is there a more neutral source on this?

I say this because the bit that says doctors can't refer on....that seems absolutely bonkers.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (28 children)

Natural News? Really? I wouldn't trust them to tell me the temperature outside.

[–]Velocity 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Like OMG! Ru Srs??? Natural News??

Maybe Buzzfeed and Snopes is more geared toward someone like you with limited critical thinking skills.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Just because I know that the infowars world is bullshit, doesn't mean I drink the Jimmy Dore Koolaid.

[–]Velocity 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

What sources do you trust then?

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Depends. You can trust most TV News programs when they tell you what the temperature was outside. You can't trust a weight loss product, unless it is drink water instead of soda. When I distrust something political, it isn't because someone else political told me they were wrong. Example: The infowars world is anti-vax. Older family members of mine were in terror over their kids contracting polio. Then the polio vaccine came out. Now, polio is almost eradicated. I know the polio vaccine had problems, but polio really was worse. When you collect good data on vaccines, the math shows nearly definite efficacy. Liar politicians will eventually contradict reality several times and you know to abandon their leadership. But our best critical thinking doesn't always get it right. That doesn't mean we should join the Jehovah's Witnesses.

[–]Velocity 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Most all news is affected by money and sponsorship. So much like your weight loss product example, even the most seemingly dry and unbiased news source can often be affected by outside influences. Thus circumspect to suspicion.

When you collect good data on vaccines, the math shows nearly definite efficacy.

Now show us the independent 3rd party analysis of the data, not those who make this determination with a conflict of interest.$$$

Then the polio vaccine came out. Now, polio is almost eradicated. I know the polio vaccine had problems, but polio really was worse.

Just like Pharma says about Autism. Correlation is not causation!

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No. Vaccines nearly killed off polio. The only people who still get polio are stupid ass mulsims. Its like you want sharia law, only without calling it sharia law.

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    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

    Part of what makes it "factual" is that he added 'industrial complex' to the end of the title. I don't know for a fact that this book I never heard of before blames the Jews, but this so called book blames the Jews. This book is Mien Kampf in academic drag. Sad. No matter how much you surgically butcher your hate: you can cut its nuts off; give it estrogen to grow tits; grow its hair long... It will never become wisdom.

    [–]jet199 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

    How about actually addressing the arguments rather than going straight into "my team good, your team bad" and actually undermining antisemitism in the process for the lulz when someone offers you good info.

    You just made yourself into the bad guy, well done.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

    Okay. I am the one who isn't hating trans. The most bullied people since the KKK lynched black people. You want to bully them. But I will forget their pronoun which will deeply offend 20% of them. Your hate is idiotic. My telling you that you are idiotic is mean. But nowhere near as mean as you are to trans people.

    [–]jet199 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

    Such hyperbole.

    Where are trans bullied? Rather they are celebrated and get away with stuff others wouldn't because they are seen as beyond criticism. In the UK trans people are the safest demographic by far.

    I used to identify as non-binary myself, do I want to bully myself? Do I hate myself?

    No, I want people to be honest and deal with their issues in healthy ways. I want children protected from a cult which wants to use them to justify middle aged men with a fetish abusing women. I want people treated equally and safeguarding to be applied sensibly even if it's not politically correct.

    The fact you think people who know far more about an issue than you, have actually lived it, are just idiotic shows what a bubble you are in. Try reading around the subject a little.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

    Anti-trans violence is real. If you don't know that, I don't know what to day.

    [–]Comatoast 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    Violence of every kind is real. If you exist, there's likely someone else that exists that wants to hurt you for the sake of something about you. Telling a woman that anti-trans violence is real while women deal with violence on a far larger scale is absurd. Having respect for someone's pronouns is one thing . Being forced to have them in spaces where you take care of very private matters and are vulnerable is another.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    [–]Comatoast 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    You know how you complained in another comment about Natural News? Yeah. I wouldn't read anything from The Guardian without the full understanding that nearly every article has some kind of agenda. This is pretty much your second strike towards me automatically invalidating anything you have to say to solidify your argument and just assuming that you're shitposting.

    [–]EvilNick 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Anti every violence is real, what's your point.

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    [–]EvilNick 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    how odd that most of the groups that experience higher crime are also the same groups who "commit" higher crime in those areas? coincidence? you people are fucking retarded, always looking to make someone a victim. sorry but sometimes your the victim because you put yourself in precarious situations. You know trans people also have higher rates of suicide and drug use correct? Now do we equate that to "oh societies poor view on it and not wanting to help these people" or just the fact that maybe, just maybe, this IS a mental illness and coincides with depression, drug use and even suicide?

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The types of crimes that the groups were victim to was not included in the data

    What is a crime in the UK, wouldn't necessary count as a crime outside of it.

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      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

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        [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

        Meh. I am not buying a copy of that piece of shit. Send me a pdf of it and I will tell which pages have antisemitism.

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          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Okay. So you like the antisemitism? For normal people, that is a deal breaker.

          [–]EvilNick 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

          Well since You don't trust them it must be garbage

          [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

          Yep. Just like I don't trust multi-level marketing, Xi Jinping, Creflo Dollar. I have no discernment whatsoever.