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[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

When has a politician, let alone a POTUS live up to his electoral promises? Before JFK?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

Obamacare

[–]Tom_Bombadil 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Obamacare

Says the pharma shill

[–]Tom_Bombadil 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (15 children)

Obamacare

Says the pharma shill

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Says the pharma shill

Big Pharma and Big Health Care were initially against Obamacare

This regulated healthcare so that millions of Americans with no healthcare got Obamacare, regardless of preexisting conditions.

Now with certain Dems in Office, there should be some regulation of Big Pharma, who've been bribing Repuglicans all along

Think, Tom.

[–]Rationalmind 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

No, Obamacare was Romneycare. Obama promised a public option and failed to deliver despite a majority in the House and Senate.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is true.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He didn't get everything he and his team asked for - including a public option - but that's normal for such a groundbreaking process. Yes, there were elements in the bill one can compare with Romneycare, but that was also a practical step in the process - to develop a plan that had already been developed. The result however was a different, national plan. And the problems with some of the Democrats at that time is that they could be bought, and some of them were thus voted out of office. Some are still in office, and should be voted out in 2 years.

[–]madcow-5 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Obamacare was a love letter to insurance companies. It had a couple of nice things, but overall did nothing but make it mandatory that a person purchase the product of these companies.

The regulations were a joke in the face of making it illegal to not buy the product.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yes, there have been problems with Obamacare. My main point - in response to a typical toddler comment about politicians - is that Obama promised it and delivered it, warts and all.

[–]madcow-5 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That's arguable. He promised healthcare reform. He delivered a mandate that everyone has to buy the very products they were complaining about about.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Big Pharma and Big Health Care were initially against Obamacare

The first line in your rebuttal admits the Democrats sold out.

You're a mediocre shill.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No, Tom. Again, you're not thinking.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Boring...

[–]Madsea 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

They bribe Dems too. Note the big trans EO he just did which is fuel for pharma continuing to make bank off of transing kids.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, money in politics is fueling corruption on both sides of the aisle. There should be conflict of interest laws to combat this.

If you refer to an executive order (EO?) for transexual rights, consider also the main motivation, which is to focus on human rights, diversity, and send symbolic messages to his base that he supports an inclusive society that does not restrict sexual orientation. I think no one would assume this has anything to do with Big Pharma or Big Healthcare. In order to make this argument, consider how much money this multi-trillion $ industry makes from a small number of sex change processes. The big money is in other sectors.

[–]bjam27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

ACA was a COMPLETE giveaway to the health insurance and pharma industry. Ask any actuary.

Blatant corruption.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree that the health insurance and pharma industries abused the ACA process, and that this is indeed blatant corruption. But I don't think there was any initial intention for this to happen with ACA. So much was sacrificed in order to make ACA happen. I hope there will be politicians who will seek reform in this area. Healthcare in the US is an embarrassment, by contrast with national plans in some other countries.

[–]BigFatRetard 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Realistically, just because someone says that they're against something doesn't mean that they're against it. Anyone with half a brain would realize that the insurance companies would stand to make out like bandits if the government mandated that everyone had to be a customer or they'd have to pay a fine.

At that point, it's just a matter of keeping a straight face while they deliver an entire customer base by Fiat unto you. "no, we really don't want this, for sure, definitely don't give us all those customers who are perfectly healthy, no whatever will we do"