Abortion leads 2020 cause of death with 42.7 million killed

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[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (45 children)

It isn't legal abortion that is causing women to get abortions. What causes abortion are legal and economic systems that penalizes women for having babies.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (22 children)

The ideal state would certainly pursue natalist policies. But natalism, or any other sort of "socialism," can only really work in a society with a high level of ethnic homogeneity.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

So you are a "race realist" who no is longer welcome at reddit anymore?

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (19 children)

I frequented MDE, DebateFascism, DebateAltRight, and a few of the ones that are still around (drama, SCJW, stupidpol) - that sphere. A bunch of us finally got locked out of our accounts with the June purge.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

I think contemporary conservatism is dumb. They proclaim that the "justice system" and the "free market" are meritocracies. Sometimes fuckers go to jail for doing fucked up things. Sometimes productive people make a lot of money. America usually seems like a meritocracy. Now for the dumb part. Conservatives know for a fact that different cultures experience stark differences in penalties and rewards in their near meritocracy, but refuse to admit that it must mean certain cultures are inferior. They want the moral high ground of being anti-racist without making any effort to reconcile the descrephies between their proclaimed ideals and actual outcomes. At least "race realists" go from 'the system is fair' to the logical conclusion that minorities are lesser. Conservatives have a disgusting indifference about race which is more the opposite of love for minorities than those the Southern Poverty Law center critique. Conservatism also lacks the critical thinking to know that a true meritocracy demonstrates merit; thus making some cultures inferior. Conservatism is just a rational for preserving the status quo on the behalf of their faction of the ruling class.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

At least "race realists" go from 'the system is fair' to the logical conclusion that minorities are lesser.

We don't think the system is fair though. Blacks and Whites alike are oppressed, under a system of Jewish Supremacy. Regardless, in any non-Black-majority country, no matter whether they had a history of slavery, you see the same 3-4x overrepresentation of Blacks among the prison population.

[–]Klenvastergan 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Blacks are not oppressed lmao.

[–]C3P0 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That's not a counter-argument.

[–]Klenvastergan 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yes it is.

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

13 50 is

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

So even through white people deserve more than black people because white people are smarter, Jews smarter than white people get more and that is unfair? Why not just be consistent and accept being dominated by your betters the way you want your inferiores to accept your dominance?

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

I don't think White people should rule over Black people, I think that we should go our separate ways. Different races have different temperaments and priorities, and they will never be satisfied while trying to share a society. I don't believe in "superior" or "inferior," there is only "different." But I do admire a lot of what Europeans and East Asians have done for the world and the sorts of societies that they build. That's my own preference. Just as loving your own family does not mean that you hate every other family, loving your race doesn't mean hating every other race. That being said, in my opinion, Jews have never built a great society of their own. They have developed a parasitic lifestyle, where by rejecting Gentile morality, they are able to take over prosperous nations and suck the order out of those systems, reducing the culture to base materialism and hedonism. This is overwhelmingly negative for the host nation, and sooner or later that society stands up for itself or it ceases to exist. I can't endorse Jewish parasitism, it is destructive and underhanded, and it ultimately causes suffering for all parties involved. I believe in Theodor Herzl's ideas - the Jews must learn to become a normal, decent nation which is able to provide for itself.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

Well, if America was supposed to be just one race, white people made a mistake by going there. First Nations isn't just something people say. White people should not have taken over lands with Mexicans living on it. Greedy white people shouldn't have forced black people to work for free.

When it comes to Europe, if they needed to be entirely white, they shouldn't have colonized other people's countries.

White South Africans don't belong in Europe. They love Africa and most of them would hate Europe. Africa is beautiful. Europe is relatively stale.

We have to live in the world that is. It is too late to reverse where people live.

Besides, diversity isn't as hard as you are making it out to be. I see prosperity and brotherhood in a diverse city I live near.

Being parasitic isn't just a Jewish thing. And it isn't something most Jewish people do. And unlike conservatives, I wouldn't claim that disabled people and single mothers on welfare are parasitic. Parasitic is the multilevel marketing scams that come out of the Mormon world. Parasitic is the poisonous fossil fuels coming from the Islamic world. Parasitic are the street drugs coming from the Spanish speaking world. Parasitic are the televangelists from the Christian world. Jews as the primary parasitic problem is just a foolish ideology we get from a Russian Czar's ghost.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

white people made a mistake by going there

To be fair, Christopher Columbus was almost certainly a Sephardic crypto-Jew. The Jews were kicked out of Spain in 1492, presumably for helping the Caliphate conquer Iberia, just days before he set off for his voyage. It is possible that the Vikings visited North America first, but they didn't set up permanent settlements, and if any remained they were assimilated by the Indians.

White people should not have taken over lands with Mexicans living on it.

American Indians are very much distinct from Central Americans. Mexicans are basically just as foreign to the land of the USA as anyone else.

Greedy white people shouldn't have forced black people to work for free.

Most White people had nothing to do with slavery. Africans sold other Africans to Arabs, and then those Africans were transported across the ocean by Jewish merchants, and in the Americas they usually worked in the service of the small minority of wealthy Whites and Jews. But the White working class was never consulted on this. If anything, it goes against their class interest.

White South Africans don't belong in Europe. They love Africa and most of them would hate Europe. Africa is beautiful. Europe is relatively stale.

And perhaps they would be able to enjoy Africa's natural beauty if the financial powers didn't decide to destroy Rhodesia and Apartheid. But they did, and now the original settlers of South Africa are slowly (for now) being exterminated for being White. It's an intolerable situation, and most of these Boers would leave if any Western country would accept them as refugees (Russia has taken a few in). But they are refused, because they are White.

We have to live in the world that is. It is too late to reverse where people live.

It's not a practical possibility to repatriate all White Americans to Europe. Maybe it's not a practical possibility to repatriate all Black Americans to Africa either. But post-1965 immigrants? That's a start. Black Americans could receive a chunk of the South along with a one-time lump sum reparations package, and that's it. We have no further duty towards them. And a lot of Black Americans are interested in something like this.

Jews as the primary parasitic problem is just a foolish ideology we get from a Russian Czar's ghost.

Almost all of the great men throughout history were antisemites. You couldn't even publish the New Testament if it was written today. But the Jews don't hate the Tsar for his antisemitism. The Tsar gave them land and plows and tried to make them do physical labor. That is why they hate the Tsar, and that's also a big part of why they hate Adolf Hitler.

[–]madcow-5 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Everyone here is no longer welcome at reddit.

[–]Klenvastergan 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

The economic advantages of murder are not an excuse for murder.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Last I checked, when you don't have enough money, you die.

[–]Klenvastergan 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

When you have billions of dollars you still die.

Everyone dies.

Murder is still wrong, bruh.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Let me make it more clear for you. "According to UNICEF, 22,000 children die each day due to the effects of poverty."

[–]Klenvastergan 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

That's a shame.

Murder is still wrong, bruh.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Most of so called pro-life push for policies that make raising children nearly impossible for 1/3 of women. If you are going to force women to give birth, make sure you prevent rich women from getting abortions as well. And pay women when they have babies so they can afford them.

[–]Klenvastergan 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

No, you don't have to steal from other people to give women free money, you can just make murder illegal.

Rich women should also be punished for murder, yes.

EDIT:

Would it be better if each of the 22,000 children who died of poverty were, instead, murdered one day before that by bashing their brains in?

B/c that's literally what you're arguing for, except taking away even more days of their lives.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The kind of welfare needed to prevent abortion costs less than putting 25% of women in prison. Do you hate how the government steals money from you to fund prisons?

[–]Klenvastergan 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

It costs less to put murderers in jail because that will lead to less murder.

Also, murder is wrong.

[–]tomatosplat 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

Legal abortion encourages and enables women to have them. Kind of like child support and 50/50 expense sharing during a 75/25 custody arrangement encourages single motherhood. Alimony encourages divorce. Leaving your car unlocked enables auto-burglers.

People do the wrong thing because people choose to. If it weren't so easy, less people would choose it.

If people had to wait 15 minutes for McDonalds, the company would be out of business by now. It's an easy choice for people who are not motivated to choose something better.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

So you hate abortion but you think child support costs too much?

[–]Lahontan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

They said it's unfair for one party to pay half the child's costs and get less than half custody.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

If you really hated abortion, you would give men hardly any custody while forcing them to pay 100% of the costs. You just want to burden women with all of the responsibilities and give all of the rewards to men. I suppose you are free to hate women. I think your life will be more pleasant if you choose to be gay.

[–]Lahontan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Ssi it's men's fault that women get pregnant and should be 100% responsible financially? That doesn't empower women you know.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

What empowers women is abortion.

[–]Lahontan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Not if they don't pay for it. If men, who you obviously hate, are forced to pay for it after consensual sex, that's an entitlement to women. Entitlements are not empowerment.

I got a girl pregnant and we decided we didn't want it. I forked out half the cash for the operation. No empowerment needed, no entitlements given. Two responsible and consenting adults taking care of business. If you want to go get knocked up by any fucker and make him pay for the consequences, you're just a two cent bitch.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Who said anything about who pays for it? Who the fuck said anything about entitlement?

But if you really hate entitlement the most, the struggles of single motherhood are what makes the welfare state possible.

The most expensive part of welfare (as in welfare for poor people) is the medical. And delivering babies is way more expensive than abortion.

Besides, it isn't your run of the mill divorced mother of 3 who is the welfare queen. The tax brakes and subsidies for those already exceeding rich pales in comparison to food and housing subsidies for working families.

You took us off the topic abortion. The OP was telling us that abortion was always bad. You are happy with your abortion and your problem is the sense of entitlement you believe others have.

If all you do is read stuff like Ayn Rand novels and feel your white power has been diminished by minority freeloaders, you are already too deep into an esoteric misinformation bubble for which you are not smart enough to see out of. Low IQ. There is nothing I can say that can place you closer to reality.

[–]Lahontan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You've resorted to calling me stupid because I identified your fallacies. Peak liberal debating skills right there. Also, the OP in the comment thread was about sharing custody and financial responsibility, and you bright up the dog vomit abortion empowerment shit. I know you spend hours on said it everyday, but keep track of your shilling topics, jeez.

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Around 20% plus pregnancies end in miscarriage so that would be a far bigger killer than abortion if you really cared about fetuses.

[–]Klenvastergan 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Normal people care more about murders than deaths from natural causes, because murder is wrong.

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This post is specifically taking about what is the leading cause of death though.

[–]Klenvastergan 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Apparently in the US, it's abortion - https://time.com/4144897/birth-rate-abortion-miscarriage/

I couldn't find globally though.