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[–]Zapped 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Because it rewards people for breaking the law. If you're weighing the pros and cons, that's a different argument.

[–]Nemacolin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

How does being trained, tested, and insured reward people for breaking the law?

[–]Zapped 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I'll give you this analogy: I print counterfeit money. I buy candy from the store with that money. Everyone's a winner, right? I get candy for next to nothing. The store owner makes a profit off the candy. The candy manufacturer makes money from producing the candy, and on and on up the supply chain. Everyone's a winner, right? No one is harmed, right? We all (society) lose because it destabilizes our whole system of value (or values).

Again, you can argue for/against open borders, but this specific example rewards people for breaking the law by allowing them privileges of a legal resident. Why should any of us follow the rules (law) if breaking them means nothing?

[–]Nemacolin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

So you figure if people drive cars without licenses, training an insurance we would all be better off?

In this case people are not trying to break a law. They want to meet the legal requirements to drive. They are trying to obey a law. Being a citizen or a legal resident has nothing to do with driving.

[–]Zapped 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Totally different argument. I thought I gave a pretty good analogy. I guess we're just too far apart on how we view this.

[–]Nemacolin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Or perhaps there are more than one or two sides of the issue.

[–]Zapped 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Of course there is, and I tried to make that distinction.

Personally, I have known illegal aliens who are good people. In a perfect world, they wouldn't have to worry about being legal residents. There is no easy solution, but I can compartmentalize the handing out of driver's licenses to illegal aliens. I think that it is a mistake to lump all issues related to illegal immigration together. If you do, you can find no common ground to find a solution. Most people want good things for themselves as well as others. It's how we think we get there that's different.

[–]Nemacolin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am not saying anything at all about migration policy.

I am saying I would prefer all drivers are trained, licensed, and insured.