NO ONE IS SAFE: Bombshell findings of the Horowitz report prove the FBI is run by treasonous crooks who answer to no one

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[–]FreedomUltd 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Japan and Sweden have dealt with covid effectively as a people by wearing masks, social distancing etc. And Sweden's leaders have said that their government's approach has turned out to be wrong.

Tax rates were far higher for the wealthy in the past, and the welfare system much more extensive. So I don't at all see how America can be seen as more communist than ever. Although... I guess if I see welfare in the past as helpful to the people I need to call that socialist, not communist?

It's up to us as citizens to keep our governments waiting on our behalf. That includes how our tax dollars are used.

Worker directed enterprises, aka worker coops, should be promoted more to bring democracy to the workplace. Fuck the ruling class, bosses, management, etc.

Yep.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

In Japan and Sweden people are advised, not forced.

Sweden's leaders are as corrupt as most.

Okay, let's go back to when the rich were taxed the most. FDR dropped the hammer on the wealthy, yet in the post-WWII era what did you have? McCarthyism - a commie witch hunt. The irony is not lost on me that they were more socialistic than ever while demonizing the commies. Furthermore, everyone post-WWII was accustomed to having crew cuts and all looked like cookie cutter duplicates of each other. Certainly there was no shortage of G.I. support programs. But I wouldn't go so far as to call that communism. Back then the USA was the main supplier to the world, the way capitalist-ish China is now.

" It's up to us as citizens to keep our governments waiting on our behalf. That includes how our tax dollars are used. "

I couldn't agree more with that sentiment, yet the reality is that it's always been controlled and they've never actually been "public servants". They only "serve and protect" the ruling class and their interests.

/s/Cooperatives - I keep meaning to post to it, but am too distracted.

[–]FreedomUltd 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

In Japan and Sweden people are advised, not forced.

People are forced to do a lot of things by governments. A lot of them are pretty easy to defend. Refrain from killing people... try not to rape... etc.

I hope we're in agreement that asking Americans nicely to behave as people did in Sweden in Japan is unlikely to have worked.

Paying people so that they can stay home and not go broke / out of business is socialism I can get behind. It's worked in other places.

I'm having some trouble with your definition of communism. Why don't we just say that the US is more authoritarian than ever?

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

"Try" not to rape. LOL.

" I hope we're in agreement that asking Americans nicely to behave as people did in Sweden in Japan is unlikely to have worked. "

I don't agree. The propaganda fear porn was more than enough to get most to comply. Many places in America don't give a fuck. Many places are taking it to extremes. The mandates are ridiculous and unlawful. Measures beyond that are unconscionable.

" Paying people so that they can stay home and not go broke / out of business is socialism I can get behind. It's worked in other places. "

UBI is a trap. But assuming it's necessary for the time being, the USA is NOT keeping people from going broke. AT ALL. As planned.

The Overton window has capitalists and communists pinching towards the middle and always upwards toward totalitarian authoritarianism. They ignore ideas to the left and right and down towards freedom / anarchy.

[–]FreedomUltd 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

What did happen doesn't indicate what would have happened. The group that never used masks, social distancing... would they have acted any differently if they had simply been advised to behave a certain way? That's the question. The answer is pretty clearly "no".

We're not talking about ubi.

I would have loved to have seen people say "if you want us to stay home, pay us... pay us to live, pay us to keep our businesses alive". But then didn't, at least not in noticable numbers. Probably because the ones who didn't comply have been completely convinced that that would be communism.

I think we can agree that we've seen many, many examples of capitalism and communism lead to totalitarian authoritarianism.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I agree. All of it.