NO ONE IS SAFE: Bombshell findings of the Horowitz report prove the FBI is run by treasonous crooks who answer to no one

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[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

You don't think the US is more communist than ever?

Socialism would actually help many people in the USA. Communism pretends to want to help people but only oppresses them. There have never been more SJWs and BLMs and COVID nonsense. All of that claims to help the little guy meanwhile only the government and corporations are thriving and growing. The end goal is totalitarianism, and all the scamdemic nations of the world are buying in - including the engineered collapse of the USA.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

So, you are saying their plan goes:

  1. Subvert a nations government either through its initial inception (US) or through financial fuckery (everywhere else)

  2. Take the government, which has been built to fail, make it communist.

  3. Laugh as the beast morphs into a faux-democratic corporate totalitarian nightmare.

Am I getting this right?

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I didn't say that but that's a great summary.

[–]FreedomUltd 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

In conversations like this one always had to wonder - what does communism mean to this person?

Communism pretends to want to help people but only oppresses them.

This describes communist governments as they have usually appeared in the world, but for you it might actually be a definition? SJWs take various forms, and I don't see BLM as communist.

Interesting that you seen to be ok with socialism.

Are there nations that you don't consider scamdemic nations? Which ones, and why?

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Insightful.

Socialism, like science, is a process that can be used for good and/or evil.

Communism is extremist idealized variant from socialism that's always corrupted and exploited by the ruling class - just like capitalism.

When is it okay for the government to take from you and give to another? That's all they do. Don't want to pay for wars? Too bad. Don't want to support trans, immigrants or Blacks? Too bad. Are you a minority ginger? Too bad, that kind of minority is not in fashion right now - especially if male.

I have mixed feelings about socialism. I can also appreciate a lot of Marx and still despise what "communism" has become. Worker directed enterprises, aka worker coops, should be promoted more to bring democracy to the workplace. Fuck the ruling class, bosses, management, etc.

Japan hasn't over-reacted to COVID. Neither has Sweden. Belarus. That's just off the top of my head. I know there's more.

[–]FreedomUltd 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Japan and Sweden have dealt with covid effectively as a people by wearing masks, social distancing etc. And Sweden's leaders have said that their government's approach has turned out to be wrong.

Tax rates were far higher for the wealthy in the past, and the welfare system much more extensive. So I don't at all see how America can be seen as more communist than ever. Although... I guess if I see welfare in the past as helpful to the people I need to call that socialist, not communist?

It's up to us as citizens to keep our governments waiting on our behalf. That includes how our tax dollars are used.

Worker directed enterprises, aka worker coops, should be promoted more to bring democracy to the workplace. Fuck the ruling class, bosses, management, etc.

Yep.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

In Japan and Sweden people are advised, not forced.

Sweden's leaders are as corrupt as most.

Okay, let's go back to when the rich were taxed the most. FDR dropped the hammer on the wealthy, yet in the post-WWII era what did you have? McCarthyism - a commie witch hunt. The irony is not lost on me that they were more socialistic than ever while demonizing the commies. Furthermore, everyone post-WWII was accustomed to having crew cuts and all looked like cookie cutter duplicates of each other. Certainly there was no shortage of G.I. support programs. But I wouldn't go so far as to call that communism. Back then the USA was the main supplier to the world, the way capitalist-ish China is now.

" It's up to us as citizens to keep our governments waiting on our behalf. That includes how our tax dollars are used. "

I couldn't agree more with that sentiment, yet the reality is that it's always been controlled and they've never actually been "public servants". They only "serve and protect" the ruling class and their interests.

/s/Cooperatives - I keep meaning to post to it, but am too distracted.

[–]FreedomUltd 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

In Japan and Sweden people are advised, not forced.

People are forced to do a lot of things by governments. A lot of them are pretty easy to defend. Refrain from killing people... try not to rape... etc.

I hope we're in agreement that asking Americans nicely to behave as people did in Sweden in Japan is unlikely to have worked.

Paying people so that they can stay home and not go broke / out of business is socialism I can get behind. It's worked in other places.

I'm having some trouble with your definition of communism. Why don't we just say that the US is more authoritarian than ever?

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

"Try" not to rape. LOL.

" I hope we're in agreement that asking Americans nicely to behave as people did in Sweden in Japan is unlikely to have worked. "

I don't agree. The propaganda fear porn was more than enough to get most to comply. Many places in America don't give a fuck. Many places are taking it to extremes. The mandates are ridiculous and unlawful. Measures beyond that are unconscionable.

" Paying people so that they can stay home and not go broke / out of business is socialism I can get behind. It's worked in other places. "

UBI is a trap. But assuming it's necessary for the time being, the USA is NOT keeping people from going broke. AT ALL. As planned.

The Overton window has capitalists and communists pinching towards the middle and always upwards toward totalitarian authoritarianism. They ignore ideas to the left and right and down towards freedom / anarchy.

[–]FreedomUltd 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

What did happen doesn't indicate what would have happened. The group that never used masks, social distancing... would they have acted any differently if they had simply been advised to behave a certain way? That's the question. The answer is pretty clearly "no".

We're not talking about ubi.

I would have loved to have seen people say "if you want us to stay home, pay us... pay us to live, pay us to keep our businesses alive". But then didn't, at least not in noticable numbers. Probably because the ones who didn't comply have been completely convinced that that would be communism.

I think we can agree that we've seen many, many examples of capitalism and communism lead to totalitarian authoritarianism.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I agree. All of it.