Oregon becomes 1st state in the US to decriminalize drug possession for all drugs

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[–]Canbot 16 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

Not allowing manufacture is retarded. That is what causes terf wars and funds gangs and cartels. It also jacks up the price. That is good for the deep state because they are the top dogs in the illicit drug infrastructure, but bad for everyone else. One step at a time though.

[–]forwardback 6 insightful - 7 fun6 insightful - 6 fun7 insightful - 7 fun -  (5 children)

terf wars? You mean turf wars, right?

[–]IridescentAnaconda 9 insightful - 11 fun9 insightful - 10 fun10 insightful - 11 fun -  (1 child)

No he meant what he said. If you fail to manufacture narcotics then the deficit will be made up in hormone therapy drugs, which will cause a massive spike in trans-identified individuals, thus leading the terven to wage war.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

thus leading the terven to wage war.

Superb.

[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Territorial disputes.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Terfitorial.

[–]insta 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Not allowing manufacture is retarded.

This is basically what the Netherlands did and they were praised for it. Really doesn't make sense.

[–]quadcricket 12 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 4 fun -  (24 children)

The worst of both worlds. The police can't arrest and the drug violence stays. This is purely to cause chaos and offer a "new solution".

[–]tomatosplat 17 insightful - 3 fun17 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 3 fun -  (19 children)

As a former drug dealer and addict- you have no idea what you are talking about. This will almost without question help retard the violence.

If people really do recover from addiction (meaning you keep these mandatory programs out of addiction treatment) you will find demand going down.

Once I hit the 2 months mark in sobriety from meth, everything changed. I never wanted to sell again because I never wanted to use again. I've relapsed 3 times in 23 years- but that kind of violence is gone from my life - prison was not necessary.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (16 children)

you belong in jail

[–]tomatosplat 10 insightful - 8 fun10 insightful - 7 fun11 insightful - 8 fun -  (12 children)

I'm non-violent- haven't done any of that stuff for years. But- tell u what- if u wanna pay for my food and house me just send me your address.

[–]yerafookincunt 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

Do you realize by supporting the notion of decriminalization you're condemning others to your story of getting addicted and using drugs and having to clean up because they're not being approached with a rational approach such as educating people what happens? You've made a perfect example with how you don't even realize you're making it openly possible to go through what you did and then act like it's some transformative process. Former xanax user here and I think you're trying to absolve yourself of the destruction you've done to yourself and excuse others from it. AKA someone who's just trying to spin some garbage to make people believe in something that allows you to get your fix again. If you actually changed, you'd never want anyone to go through what you did again. Further more, if you didn't think what you're saying through, you're saying that using drugs is inevitable. You make some of the least compelling arguments of anyone I've ever bothered to reply to on here. Which means you sunk below the level of the likes of the people who ramble about Israel on here.

[–]magnora7[S] 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

Portugal decriminalized all drugs 20 years ago, and overall drug usage dropped in half.

Turns out people will seek help if they're not afraid of being arrested...

[–]yerafookincunt 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

Using the stuff and then having to crawl your way back to normalcy after using isn't seeking help. Educating yourself before destroying your life is. Portugal is corrupt and does nothing of prudence to protect its people and if you're going to champion them as an exemplary form of reform of drug use I can see exactly where your ridiculous allegiances lie. Also, when you create a system wherein everyone acts like people should be condoning the creation of government run facilities to supply people their fix, YOU are part of the problem. You can say that corporatising and creating millionaires out of the tragedy solves the problem, but you have no moral substance. I hope you have to realize if you haven't the ignorance of your words and perhaps have to live through the consequences of someone choosing drugs over you when it matters to recognize it in it's reality.

Being lazy with preventative measures and acting only once the problem has been created is the reason why they are one of the least productive countries in Europe. During 2009, which would've been the peak of people getting the gumption to try and utilize this supposed successful system, they had record unemployment rates during the world economic recession. https://tradingeconomics.com/portugal/unemployment-rate

You're basically completely unaware of the consequences outside of your narrow perception on the topic of how drug users have it. News flash, if you lack the self preservation skills to try and keep yourself alive, the world doesn't owe you a way to survive through that. Life will weed you out with your poor discretion and others if your logic is made law.

[–]magnora7[S] 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (6 children)

The stats show drug use rates are cut in half when it's decriminalized. Why would you be against that if you truly stand for public health?

[–]yerafookincunt 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Because if you don't have a job and you're recovering from a drug stint and it shows on your national balances, YOU are not for public health. I will not take your side as such. Grow up and stop institutionalizing an excuse for there still being people getting on your bandwagon.

[–]tomatosplat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I hope the people you have wronged find you. Then you can tell me about grace and reconciliation. I hope you find forgiveness. Once you do- never let it go

[–]yerafookincunt 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

In case the first reply doesn't make sense to you through your fixation on drug use, halving a problem and then calling it solved is not a solution. There is still the massive debt they took on to shoulder the burden of this (EDIT: Clarifying because you probably aren't going to realize RECESSIONS CAUSE DRUG USE), the effects of the covid economic recession and having to pay for any instutionalized bullshit they push on to individual countries based off their proclivity to give the WHO what they want. How easy to manipulate are a bunch of ex-drug users who are in the middle of a euphoria trip about how they 'fixed their problem' by making it normal? There's no one easier. On top of this, the fundamental problem, a lack of foresight is still present. Nothing has changed besides making some people believe they've graduated to another rung on the tier of social slavery. Recognize the fact if you actually want some meaningful change you need to stop acting like as if the world shares your drug fixation. Nobody is going to listen to what you have to say from a position of conditioning a bad thing to be normal. You're never going to address that, I feel, so...basically keep repeating yourself without having any recognition of the fraction of society you and I both represent. You ought not to make things our lack of judgment has created a personal hell for us in to normalcy for others.

[–]tomatosplat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Boredom caused both of my relapses.(sometimes in recovery we call it that, really it is a lack of stimulation) I'm afraid that the covid lock-down had that effect on some people. I wish them the best, but because of lock-downs we have lost tens of thousands to overdose and suicide. It is really, really bad.

[–]tomatosplat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Drugs are a fact. My children, Your children will encounter them; it's up to us to give them a safe place and a way out. If you don't feel that way, I'm sorry for your family. The way out is Jesus* not the saidit one

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Ya, freedom is for people who don't use it! /s

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You belong on the internet : )

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

All meth heads do

[–]quadcricket 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I do have an idea what I'm talking about. You don't know me. Agree to disagree if anything.

[–]tomatosplat 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Okay

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

On one hand, it might be good if all of the druggies and degens head there.

On the other, we know damn well the liberals will leave and ruin another red state.

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    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    This one sided, binary uncritical thinking presented in these thoughts you wrote. Illuminate your mind and psyche more than anything you might have wanted to create as comprehension in your audience.

    Lay off on the LSD.

    but you have a bottle of what pharmaceutical in your medicine cabinet, oxycotin...maybe Zanax?

    No. I'm a normal mostly healthy person.

    Look, if you are in severe pain and get prescribed it by a medical professional, I don't have a problem with you using one of those drugs if prescribed it. But when you are using it for pleasure and when you are on these things and affecting others, that's where the problem comes in.

    [–][deleted] 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

    geez just do it for weed, they went and took it too far, no reason to make crack and heroin legal, literally no one even asked for that. Is this done just to cause a crisis then have an excuse to roll back the legalization of weed?

    [–]Madsea 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Agree. Weed and mushrooms are one thing. A few others are far more concerning.

    [–]Tom_Bombadil 5 insightful - 7 fun5 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 7 fun -  (1 child)

    The ballot measure would reclassify possession of small amounts of drugs as a civil violation, similar to a traffic offense. The penalty would be a $100 fine, which a person can avoid by agreeing to participate in a health assessment. Selling and manufacturing drugs will remain illegal.

    "We need to test you for Cocaine-19."

    [–]iraelmossadreddit 10 insightful - 7 fun10 insightful - 6 fun11 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

    Selling and manufacturing drugs will remain illegal.

    government has a monopoly on that...

    [–]soyboy77 3 insightful - 7 fun3 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 7 fun -  (1 child)

    Cool, I'm running low on krokodil, bromo-dragonfly and angel dust.

    [–]Canbot 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    krokodil is only a thing because drugs are illegal. If they could get the safer version of that drug they would.

    [–]soundsalad 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    Oregon just became a much freer place than the rest of the US.

    Personal autonomy is the ultimate freedom, and most of us don't have it.

    [–]magnora7[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    I agree. Oregon just did a great thing that has been needed for a long time. And I hope they do it right, so others can look to them as a way forward on this issue.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    I also hope they do it right, but it could very well be done poorly just so others would be hesitant doing something similar.

    [–]quantum-step 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

    I can't wait till all the stories of "Florida man" are changed to the adventures of Oregon man!

    [–]Airbus320 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Or magnora men

    [–]hfxB0oyA 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Oregon is quickly becoming the next Detroit.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    I like drugs. They're F-U-N.