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[–]Aetherist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

At best, Trump will be the USA's Gorbachev.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's pretty true, it feels like. I remember all those "in soviet russia" jokes and now everything in the US is just as bad as those old jokes. We have a gulag system (over 3 million people are locked in concrete boxes right now in the US), a collapsing middle class, and a political system run by the hyper-wealthy, and police that are potentially untrustworthy.

The only thing we're missing is the slew of countries under our umbrella looking to become independent. Although I guess the US does have that, in a lot of ways, it's just not shown on the map like the USSR's imperialist expansion was. The US is more subtle about it, but not by much.

[–]DeSelby 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just today I listened to BBC's coverage of Trump's steel industry politics. It's quite obvious the employment rate and order backlogs in US raw material production companies has got better due to import steel tariffs, but in the same coverage there were also other voices heard.

Some companies - also part of American metal industry scene - do not benefit from the change. According to the coverage, tariffs are problematic for companies that need high grade steel materials for their end product manufacturing. For some reason I can't understand, there is not enough high grade steel production in US especially regarding thin sheets. Companies needing these type of steel materials buy everything they get from US raw material manufacturers but need to buy the rest from foreign manufacturers. Not sure if I understood or heard it right, but afaik one company boss said 70% of thin high grade metal sheets had to be imported. And thanks to tariffs the cost has risen 25%. That's a lot and shall cause problems fast.

According to comments presented in the coverage there are more jobs in end product design and manufacturing than in raw material production industry. If this costly situation continues more jobs may be jeopardized in the long run than gained.

Now back to Russia-US comparison. When I listened this broadcast I literally thought "US is more and more like Russia". For decades Russia has been a country that produces quite basic things like energy and raw materials in different forms. But when it comes to end products manufactured from these basic raw materials, Russian product quality is low. Value added is poor. The situation is the same in China if you look at end products originally and fully designed and manufactured there and solely by them.

Production value, income, profits and GDP simply increases together with the extent of value added. Concentrating too much on low level production at the cost of high-end consumer production capabilities will be bad option.

Jobs in mining and steel industries are of course important and ppl there have been forgotten for years. For them Trump politics is really good news. But in the long run today's politics may be more effective regarding public relations than regarding big picture financial growth beneficial for the US as a nation.

[–]voter[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The US used to love personal responsibility, freedom, morality, peace, and balanced budgets.

Americans are now embracing welfare, tyranny, immorality, war, and debt.

Some Americans are not adjusting well to the changes and the hypocrisy.

You just need to go outside to see the insanity. Have you noticed the panhandlers, the illegal immigrants, the cashier high on drugs, a black man using his fingers while pretending to shoot you, the homosexual in the gym shower leering at you, the white man spitting, the fat girl wearing pajamas at the supermarket, and the old lady driving slow on purpose in the parking lot talking to herself?

People living in the US would think this was normal, but Americans don’t realize how far the USA has fallen until they travel abroad.

Being a fat, tattooed single mother in Vietnam would be shameful.

http://www.peopleofwalmart.com

How can Americans sleep at night while the US collapses or look in the mirror now without feeling disgusted?

https://truth-zone.net/forum/public-zone.html

[–]asg101 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Promises, promises....

[–]voter[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The collapse of the USA is shocking. How can Americans sleep now?

What should Americans do? What will happen? How do you prepare? How do you resist tyranny?

We have four boxes with which to defend our freedom: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the cartridge box. Americans are running out of options. The elites have taken control of the government, media, and the corporations. The 1% will not stop until everyone is enslaved or dead.

The US, like China, is a police state where no one has rights and anyone can be tortured, arrested, killed, or have their property stolen by the state at any time. Most people prefer to ignore it and pretend everything is fine, though.

Americans are too lazy and scared to protest, but even if 10 million Americans protested in Washington, our overlords would use water cannons, tear gas, torture, guns, and prisons to crush it.

Americans could use guerrilla warfare and snipers to attack the government and elites, but the government could use the guns, fighter jets, helicopters, drones, aircraft carriers, tanks, and nuclear bombs that the American taxpayers paid for against the rebels. Americans, like the Soviets, could just give up, drop out, pretend to work, stop paying taxes, and start disobeying the law and the whole rigged system could collapse.

Another option to escape tyranny as conditions worsen is for Americans to just lay low, become stateless and nameless, and wander the world as nomads.

Part of the reason Americans are not resisting now is that they are defeated, degraded, divided, and distracted. Why go out and risk getting arrested and killed fighting tyranny when they have weed, beer, food stamps, A/C, and TV? Young people don’t care about freedom because they think living in a police state is normal and old people don’t care because they will be dead soon. Only middle-aged people who know what freedom was like and might be still alive for another 30-40 years seem to care.

The USA has crossed the line, but knowing when the revolution starts is difficult because the growth of the police state has been gradual.

Until the government closes churches or burns books, or you get beaten by the police or your friend is shot by the FBI, Americans may not really believe that they live in a police state.

The ruling class and the media have studied history well and have slowly chipped away freedom over the past 50 years. The media plays Americans like a fiddle. The elites can manipulate Americans to give up their freedom easily.

All the government needs to do to get Americans to give up their guns is to use a real or staged shooting and non-stop 24/7 news coverage about the dangers of guns and play slanted stories about the success of gun laws in Australia or Japan to get Americans to register their guns this year and then use another shooting next year to convince Americans to accept gun confiscation and microchip implants.

If the elites want to make Americans give up their freedom then they take the worst case and use endless stories maximizing the dangers of a tragedy and minimizing and ignoring the arguments for liberty.

If the 1% wants all men to register as sex offenders, the media will use a horrifying story about a white man who raped and killed a 7 year old girl.

The ruling class can print any amount of money to fund high salaries or give benefits to pay cops and soldiers to arrest or fire on Americans. The elites can lower standards so that low IQ people, felons, illegal immigrants, and tattooed people can join the military or become police officers. The 1% can use the UN to round up Americans if they can’t recruit enough cops and soldiers.

The media may soon use stories about mandatory Ebola quarantines or a Russian invasion to brainwash Americans to go to government concentration camps willingly.

The water and electricity still works and government checks are still good now, but when the US Ponzi economy crashes, riots break out, food runs out, and a civil war and WWIII starts, Americans will wish that they had planned and prepared better.

Americans need to be like the founding fathers now and do everything they can to fight for freedom. Nothing is more important than freedom. Everyone is born for a reason.

http://alphahistory.com/americanrevolution/american-revolution-whos-who/

The US economy will collapse and Americans will go to the concentration camps, the question is when?

Those who do not learn from the mistakes of history are doomed to repeat them.

http://www.history.com/topics/french-revolution

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/triumph/tr-bookburn.htm

http://spartacus-educational.com/RUSgulags.htm

http://endgenocide.org/learn/past-genocides/the-cambodian-genocide/