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[–]Nemacolin 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

So the 200,000 Americans are not really dead? Great news!

[–]Tom_Bombadil 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

People die every day.

Also, according to the CDC only 6% of these are legit Covid only deaths.
The remaining 94% of deaths were casualties of people with serious comorbidities. These people would have died anyway in a year or two.

No one lives forever.

The Coco flu is a virus that is so deadly that most people have to take a test from the govt to know they ever had it.

It's a hoax.

[–]GConly 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The remaining 94% of deaths were casualties of people with serious comorbidities

Ntot quite right.

High BP is one of the common listed comorbidities and most people live for decades with it. Obesity too. And diabetes. Hardly serious, and very common.

In the UK the average age of death for Covid patients is on the eighties and a lot of old people have both diabetes and high BP.

I will say that large scale testing on test groups like the diamond princess and the town of Ischgl show that 80% of people wont know they've had it.

If you look at Ischgl they seemed to stop getting new cases after they had 2 die from 1729 people.

Either IFR is around 0.25%, or herd immunity kicks in around 45%. Prior is more likely, plus this was right back in February when we weren't great at treating it. It's more likely mortality is around 0.2%.

A lot of places have also been listing anyone who dies with a positive Covid test as a death caused by Covid, which apparently happened wholesale in New York.

So I'm not shitting myself as a chubby fifty year old.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The remaining 94% of deaths were casualties of people with serious comorbidities

Ntot quite right.

High BP is one of the common listed comorbidities and most people live for decades with it. Obesity too. And diabetes. Hardly serious, and very common.

You left out one crucial detail. Everyone dying from this is 70, or older.

Survival rates from the virus. 0-19 years: 99.997%. 20-49 years: 99.98%. 50-69 years: 99.5%. 70+ years: 94.6%.

Most people die when they're over 70.

This is completely normal.

So I'm not shitting myself as a chubby fifty year old.

They are reclassifying every normal elderly death a Coco (if they can get away with it).

This is a hoax.

[–]GConly 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

left out one crucial detail. Everyone dying from this is 70, or older.

No, 90% of the dead are 70 plus. Not all. A lot of these people will have had a good decade plus left in them. They weren't all circling the drain waiting for a nudge.

It's also a lot more virulent in people with dark skin living in temperate climes, thanks to endemic vitamin D deficiency.

It's about as bad as a bad flu, but we don't have a vaccine for it hence the deaths. We're probably having a higher mortality than we'd normally see because we had a really mild flu year in 2019, and we have a lot of elderly just waiting to catch the next respiratory infection and die.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A lot of these people will have had a good decade plus left in them. They weren't all circling the drain waiting for a nudge.

Actually:

They weren't all circling the drain waiting for a nudge.

FTFY

CDC: 94% of COVID-19 deaths had contributing medical conditions

The remaining 6% either had an undiagnosed medical condition, or they were so old that there was no reason for an autopsy.

Exactly like the flu, because Coco19 is the flu. Literally.

[–]Nemacolin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Of course it is.

Under normal conditions, seven thousand Americans die each day. Now, many more than that are dying each day. But of course you are right.

[–]Iam1ofMany 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

This is really the question that needs to be asked. How many more deaths per day are we seeing?

[–]Nemacolin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A good question. I do not have the answer at my fingertips.

[–]hightesseract 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It matches the Covid-19 deaths worldwide.

https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And how many extra deaths are actually being caused by the lockdown or the media making people so scared they won't go to the doctor to get things checked out.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

They died. Of various causes but marked COVID on the death certificates. Tons of money for the hospitals in that, so why not?

[–]Nemacolin 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Faking a cause of death is illegal. You need to call 911 and tell the police.

[–]Chipit[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You have this consistent pattern of (deliberately?) misinterpreting what was said, and when you speak it back, you say something completely different. Do you do this on purpose or is it a cognitive bias you're unaware of?

[–]Nemacolin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

When someone says something silly, I often reply the same way.

[–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It just means you don't have an argument. If you had one, you'd use it. You don't, so you choose to deliberately misinterpret what was said and reply to that instead.

It's a sadly consistent pattern among leftists.

[–]Nemacolin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah. That must be it.

[–]ANIKAHirsch 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

These numbers can help wake people up, but they're meaningless to policy-pushers.

[–]28ts 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

First, I highly doubt those numbers. We consistently see 3%+ death rates, but you show 99%+ survival? Yea.

Secondly, death is not the only outcome you dumbwit. You catch the flu, you stay a couple days in bed and then you're good to go. You catch covid, and there's a high chance you'll have respiratory problems for life. So yea, I'll take quarantines over losing my breath when I get out to get the mail

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

CDC has said the death rate is around 0.16%.

The 3%+ death rate number is very outdated and incorrect, that number was from March or April when this thing wasn't understood well

[–]jet199 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sorry but many people reporting respiratory problems after covid-19 are just answering "yes" to the question "do you get out of breath when you go up a flight of stairs?" The vast majority of people over 20 will answer yes to that, but they might not have thought about it until asked.

My aunt actually does have a new long term illness after having covid-19, she's developed tinnitus. But is that caused by the direct action of the virus or was it caused by having a loud cough for a week straight. Whatever the cause if anyone asks her she's going down as someone who's suffering long term complications in the stats.

Also a bad case of flu can very much leave you with long term illness too. This isn't unusual with viruses. After Spanish flu they had a wave of sleeping sickness, we aren't seeing anything so serious with covid-19.