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[–]flush_the_turd 12 insightful - 4 fun12 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 4 fun -  (52 children)

What about a woman's right to choose?

[–]yishengqingwa666 18 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 2 fun -  (51 children)

Men love forcing girls and women to give birth to unwanted offspring. It's a great way to keep us poor and under control.

[–]insta 14 insightful - 7 fun14 insightful - 6 fun15 insightful - 7 fun -  (23 children)

Women love murdering babies. It relieves them of any responsibility for their actions.

[–]GConly 13 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 3 fun -  (18 children)

An embryo is not a baby.

Which is why the amount of sympathy and social acknowledgement you get when you miscarry at 2-3 months is virtually nil.

[–]insta 11 insightful - 6 fun11 insightful - 5 fun12 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

miscarry at 2-3 months is virtually nil.

Oh yeah for sure, it's treated socially the same as a bad diarrhea run. You're totally right.

[–]Canbot 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (11 children)

That logic is exactly the same as Nazis saying Jews are't people so it is ok to kill them. You are despicable for dehumanizing babies to take their murder off your conscience.

[–]FediNetizen 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

Logically, it is the same. The difference is one of those statements is true, and the other isn't.

[–]Canbot 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

Irrelevant. It is a common tactic to dehumanize your enemies when you are at war. Particularly to brainwash your soldiers with that kind of propaganda so they don't hesitate to murder people on the battlefield.

[–]jet199 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

No one is at war with zygotes, you idiot.

[–]ReeferMadness 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

There are 1.2 million abortions in the US per year. That is more people killed than in all the declared wars in the world combined, you idiot.

[–]Comatoast 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

One is the potential for life, the other has experienced/is experiencing life actively. Massive fallacies in your logic here.

[–]Againstniggers 4 insightful - 5 fun4 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Cope

[–]Airbus320 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yes we are

[–]GConly 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

A baby isn't small enough to go missing in a coin purse.

[–]Canbot 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

A baby is not defined by it's size. It is no less human simply because it is smaller than you.

[–]ethiopia 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

Which is why the amount of sympathy and social acknowledgement you get when you miscarry at 2-3 months is virtually nil.

idk what heathens you associate with, but for me and my friends its a deeply sad thing

[–]GConly 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Compared to actually losing a baby, it's not in the same ballpark.

[–]ethiopia 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

that's a combination of factors, one being that complications during pregnancy and losing a pregnancy are more common, and also because people value a little baby over a fetus.

that isn't a good argument for abortion being moral.

look don't get me wrong, i'm down with the radfem arguments, coming from a very marxist background, reproductive labor, etc. I just view society, the world, from a different epistemological/philosophical standpoint than purely marxist (materialist/atheist) point. Although I have learned much from it.

I don't believe that it is a political issue, women ending their pregnancies. I think it is a moral issue. And I am allowed to have a moral disagreement. From a more reasoning perspective, I think it is absolutely ridiculous to women giving up their incredible power in creating life, educating their children, in favor of public education, propoganda/waste of time college, and a job that makes you just another worker. So I am in favor of traditional households, and what I mean by that isn't "mother rears, father brings home $$" I mean both parents, their extended families, are investing as much time into the children, emphasis on self-sustainability. Obviously very few people in the cosmopolitan world are in this position, but that's why we are in this shit situation to begin with.

this isn't even taking into account the eugenics part of birth control and abortion, and push towards promscuity

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

It is the same ballpark.

[–]Catbug 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah the woman who got impregnated by rape should be responsible for her actions. Cmon man.

[–]insta 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Oh yeah, some statistically tiny group gets abortions are from rape. That means all rape babies have the guilt of their fathers and should be murdered because of it. It also means that every other irresponsible woman on the face of the planet can use that as shield to make up excuses for their bad decisions.

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    [–]insta 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

    Nice fresh one-liner. I should write it down.

    [–]AddledCorpse 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

    Do you really believe that though?

    Men hate having unwanted children and constantly bitch about it.

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      [–]SaidOverRed 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      So just to be clear, men providing for society's children helps justify their intervention in this matter, right? I'll have a follow up question.

      [–]AddledCorpse 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      What makes you think men give a fuck?

      Do you actually think 'men' are at home scheming going "HA-HA Society should be forced to have kids that it cant contain unless its me! That will teach them!

      They literally dont care.

      And tonnes of men are the (serious) victims of kept-children. Fact. Its even like a social meme.

      The fact is the abortion issue is an ethical one in which women and men are both split on the issue. Women 50/50.

      Stop the dumb strawman/victimhood to try and prop up an enemy that isnt there to strengthen your own radicalism.

      [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Are you suggesting we should kill unwanted children then?

      [–]ethiopia 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

      lol this is such a stupid argument. most men who are out pumping and dumping girls unprotected don't want them to have babies. if a woman doesn't want offspring, use some of that health-destroying oral contraceptive, or an IUD, or plan B, or condoms. or maybe just maybe don't be so promiscious and wait for someone you want to build a family with to have unprotected sex.

      [–]Zahn 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

      Your comment doesn't follow any logic. A blanket statement and pathetic Strawman. Maybe men want children because they simply want offspring. It's not some ridiculous conspiracy to disempower women. It could easily be argued having children ultimately empowers women.

      [–][deleted] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

      Plenty of women are against abortion too. This is silly.

      [–]Canbot 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

      No one wants to force you to keep the baby. Just don't murder it.

      [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

      People kinda don't like conservatives only care about children until they're born. I think both parties act like pieces of shit on this issue.

      [–]Canbot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

      How does not wanting babies to get murdered make you a piece of shit?

      [–]Catbug 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

      You offering to adopt the babies?

      [–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

      No. I also don't want refugees from Syria. Does that mean it is OK to murder Syrians? No one wants them so they deserve to die, right?

      [–]Catbug 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

      It means that unless you’re willing to back up your words nobody is gonna care that you’re judging them. You won’t save the pwecious babies but still call a woman a murderer for terminating a fetus that has a tail but no developing brain, pumped into her by some rapist.

      [–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

      I just explained why your logic is flawed. But let me try once again, sigh.

      Calling someone a hypocrite is not a valid argument against their position. You can prove that simply by the fact that we all agree that murder is wrong, and when a murderer says that murder is wrong that does not make murder OK.

      I support orphanages, and I support forced IUD's and vasectomies for those who don't have the intelligence or self control to be responsible. There are other options besides murder.

      The vast, vast majority of abortions are women who got pregnant while voluntarily sleeping around. The fact that you have to lie about that fact proves that on some deeper level you actually understand how fucked up the situation really is, but are too brainwashed to stand against it so you cope by twisting the narrative. Rape babies may be a gray area, but they are an insignificantly small gray area; and can easily be excluded from common sense anti murder laws.

      [–]Catbug 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

      https://images.app.goo.gl/RQLECy7jXjkZfomG7

      That’s not a baby. It’s a lump. Nobody is being murdered lol.

      [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Come on dude this has been an issue probably since time immemorial but politically for the last 80! If you don't know what I'm talking about you're being willfully obtuse.