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[–]christine_grab 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Is MRA Men's Rights Association? What does MGTOW stand for?

[–]beermeem 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

MRA is a derisive term that stands for Men’s Rights Activist. It’s akin to using the term “feminazi.”

MGTOW = Men Going Their Own Way. They’re mostly (but not necessarily) InCels (Involuntary Celibates) who decided to become Voluntary Celibates. Many times they’ve simply had (sometimes shockingly) bad experiences in the relationships they have had. Unlike InCels, they’re not violent or hateful but sometimes bitter and frustrated. They take responsibility for their lives and are trying to better themselves by removing themselves from what they view as a hateful, anti-man society.

“MRA” and MGTOW are differentiated in that MRA remain involved in the system (mostly legal battles and some books and protests) to preserve men’s rights to remain a part of their children’s and family’s lives, among other similar issues. MGTOW have literally decided to just opt out or at least that’s what they claim on the internet where the movement largely exists. It’s unknown how many “MGTOW” are either women LARPing as men online or agents of some unknown organization attempting to discourage men from breeding or expressing themselves sexually with their “nofap” (no masturbation) campaigns.

The fact that there is so much intense media hate pointed toward these two disparate groups shows me that they both have very valid points — although I do feel that they are somewhat misguided, personally speaking. But then I feel a lot of people are misguided so that’s nothing new.

[–]christine_grab 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Thanks for the detailed explanation. I have to admit, I am completely oblivious to all this stuff. I mean, my dad got custody of me and my sisters in a day and age when men NEVER got custody, and he had to fight really hard for it. But beyond my dad's custody battle, men's rights issues hasn't touched my life.

Forgive me if this is a dumb question, but Are InCels just guys that women don't find attractive for some reason (ie physically or personality-wise)?

As for the media hate... welcome to the 21st century. I believe the media's primary job is to keep people divided and they are always finding more ways to box people into groups to hate others/be hated. Because if you focus on hating each other, then you don't focus on the atrocities being committed by TPTB.

[–]beermeem 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Okay let me date myself and put the Velvet Underground Radio on Pandora before I answer this. Actually, I'm not that old... I'd say it's a combination of an inability to create an attractive image and an overly inflated idea of what one should have.

You may not recall maybe ten years ago there was this huge thing in the media -- women 30+ to 45 who were "very deserving!" of a good man but "just couldn't find The One." It's kinda like that. Just people who think they should get to fuck beautiful rich people by the pool all day because they're so deserving.

I mean, that's the jaded version ;-) But an individual does have to create value for those around them. As much of a crazy capitalist as that makes me sound like. And, yeah, media hate...

[–]christine_grab 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That makes sense. Yeah, our culture has gotten to be really shallow, and I think that is tied to why in dating people have a big disconnect with expectations vs reality. The reality is that everyone has flaws and the right person for you is someone whose flaws you can live with.

I also think the shallow nature of our culture nowadays is why we have such an explosion in the homeless population. If something happened to my family and we became homeless, we could couch surf for years because we have a big network of people who love us. But we've invested in deep relationships with all of them. Nowadays, people have hundreds of "friends," but they aren't really friends, only shallow acquaintances. Then they have no one deeply invested in to turn to for help in hard times.