‘Anti-Feminist’ Lawyer Is Suspect in Killing of Son of Federal Judge in N.J.

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[–]SeasideLimbs 14 insightful - 5 fun14 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 5 fun -  (9 children)

Why does the article state that Hollander showed up at Salas' home and shot her son and husband as if those were facts when the headline says that he is a suspect?

Why are lawsuits aiming to increase equality between the sexes called "seemingly frivolous"? Where do they get the justification for it "seeming" like they were "frivolous" to them? Isn't that equivalent to making the claim that you can mind-read, given that there are none of the usual indications for lawsuits being frivolous?

Why would Hollander want to kill Salas when she seemed to play little role in his life and he seemed to have little animosity toward her, merely mentioning her in passing in a text he wrote as "a lazy and incompetent Latina judge appointed by Obama" and the one case he ever had before her being allowed by her to proceed, with his only criticism of her being that she didn't "[move] the case along fast enough"?

Why would a men's rights lawyer want to kill another men's rights lawyer?

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    [–]SeasideLimbs 16 insightful - 5 fun16 insightful - 4 fun17 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

    Violent, aggressive, not refuting any points and attacking a minority person? Typical leftist bigot. :/

    [–]TruthTeller 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Go back to the right wing dude. You are out of your element.

    [–]SeasideLimbs 8 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

    Where is that right wing you speak of? Could you show me the direction? I'd like to not be in the company of anti-LGBT bigots like you. Kthx.

    [–]TruthTeller 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I'd like to not be in the company of anti-LGBT bigots like you

    DUH?

    [–]beermeem 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

    C’mon /u/Magnora, pyramid of debate.

    [–]magnora7 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    Yeah that got guy banned

    [–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Quit with the agro shit. You win with good ideas not attitude or name calling.

    [–]Kabubum 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    "shithead, full of shit, asshole"

    Wow, you just completely convinced me. How about some actual counter-points or examples instead of personal attacks? I would like to know why this guy is supposed to be bad, but nobody is going to click on a link by a person who does nothing but insult. Next time include that information in your post pls.

    Like now you are acting like the stereotypical redditor and sjw cultist.

    [–]christine_grab 13 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 3 fun -  (19 children)

    On Reddit, they claimed that a lawyer named Angelucci worked with Hollander on the Women-Registering-For-The-Draft case that was heard by Salas. He was just murdered a few days ago in CA, also by someone disguised as a delivery driver. The article mentions his work on the Draft case, and since the article was written prior to the Salas/Hollander incidents, there would have been no reason to go into detail about co-counsel and judge: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8522737/Killing-mens-rights-attorney-Marc-Angelucci-related-work-friends-say.html

    His friends believe he was murdered for a case he was working on. In addition to the land grab case detailed in the article above, he was also working on case against CPS. It's odd that these two mens-rights lawyers both died so close to one another. It's odd that they would quickly assume Hollander was the murderer when both the judge and her high-profile attorney husband had a slew of people who would want them dead.

    The pieces don't as of yet make a picture, but I will be keeping an eye out for more pieces.

    [–]beermeem 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

    The Angelucci case wouldn’t even be an issue if we rolled back asset forfeiture. His client (Jerry Cox) had large parcels of land confiscated after a false rape claim. Someone in the county could have set up a poor “victim” to make claims just to take his land. Happens far more often than reported.

    How is it that we’ve abolished bail in many parts of this country so that violent offenders can be let out of jail free yet there remains no real due process for random confiscations that the state profits from?

    [–]christine_grab 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    I could not agree with you more! You are preaching to the choir with me! I have been actively fighting the State of CA for four years now. I caught them red-handed running two racketeering schemes and overcharging interest. Our government is corrupt AF and I think we all need to stand up to unethical practices by our government. I even wrote a "how-to" post about it recently: https://saidit.net/s/conspiracy/comments/58z6/how_can_i_as_an_individual_fight_back_against/

    [–]jet199 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

    It's not unusual for MRA to go postal though. They wind each other up until someone blows. The MGTOW sub on reddit has had a couple of users convicted of terrorism already.

    [–]flugegeheimen 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

    Wait, wait, weren't they supposed to be the privileged patriarchal bigots oppressing women and sadistically laughing all the day? Why would they do something so desperate?

    I don't believe you. What's next, you will tell us that men die from suicide much more often than women?! Nonsense.

    [–]jet199 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    That's the fun part of patriarchy, poor men are disposable. In fact rich men actively want to get rid of the poor men to get rid of the 50/50 sex ratio so the can have multiple women. In the past they used to wars to get rid of men, now in they West they use whatever keeps large numbers of virgins in their mother's basements, free porn, junk food, etc.

    The idea all men are privileged is a new one (maybe intersectionality?) and dosen't really fit with the old school patriarchy theory.

    [–]SeasideLimbs 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

    Why would they kill each other? If what you said was true, they would go on rampages killing lots of women.

    [–]jet199 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    They try but their aim isn't great.

    Failures all round.

    [–]SeasideLimbs 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    I'm not sure I get what you mean. Are you saying while Hollander was allegedly shooting Angelucci, there happened to be a huge group of women behind Angelucci which Hollander was actually aiming for and after accidentally killing Angelucci instead, Hollander decided to spare those women for no reason whatsoever? Or what are you saying?

    [–]beermeem 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

    This is hate speech.

    The term “going postal” derisively refers to long prior shooting rampages perpetrated by US Postal Service employees. The USPS has since vastly improved working conditions and is one of the best employers in the country. Your use of this term contributes to the dangerous attempt by some politicians to de-fund USPS and “privatize” mail service in America, removing a centuries old service vital to communication and free speech.

    Also, the Men’s Rights Movement is not associated with the online MGTOW LARPers and “MRA’s” have shown little to no inclination toward violence. Whether purposeful or out of ignorance, your conflation of the two belies your lack of interest in reality.

    [–]christine_grab 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

    Is MRA Men's Rights Association? What does MGTOW stand for?

    [–]beermeem 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

    MRA is a derisive term that stands for Men’s Rights Activist. It’s akin to using the term “feminazi.”

    MGTOW = Men Going Their Own Way. They’re mostly (but not necessarily) InCels (Involuntary Celibates) who decided to become Voluntary Celibates. Many times they’ve simply had (sometimes shockingly) bad experiences in the relationships they have had. Unlike InCels, they’re not violent or hateful but sometimes bitter and frustrated. They take responsibility for their lives and are trying to better themselves by removing themselves from what they view as a hateful, anti-man society.

    “MRA” and MGTOW are differentiated in that MRA remain involved in the system (mostly legal battles and some books and protests) to preserve men’s rights to remain a part of their children’s and family’s lives, among other similar issues. MGTOW have literally decided to just opt out or at least that’s what they claim on the internet where the movement largely exists. It’s unknown how many “MGTOW” are either women LARPing as men online or agents of some unknown organization attempting to discourage men from breeding or expressing themselves sexually with their “nofap” (no masturbation) campaigns.

    The fact that there is so much intense media hate pointed toward these two disparate groups shows me that they both have very valid points — although I do feel that they are somewhat misguided, personally speaking. But then I feel a lot of people are misguided so that’s nothing new.

    [–]christine_grab 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

    Thanks for the detailed explanation. I have to admit, I am completely oblivious to all this stuff. I mean, my dad got custody of me and my sisters in a day and age when men NEVER got custody, and he had to fight really hard for it. But beyond my dad's custody battle, men's rights issues hasn't touched my life.

    Forgive me if this is a dumb question, but Are InCels just guys that women don't find attractive for some reason (ie physically or personality-wise)?

    As for the media hate... welcome to the 21st century. I believe the media's primary job is to keep people divided and they are always finding more ways to box people into groups to hate others/be hated. Because if you focus on hating each other, then you don't focus on the atrocities being committed by TPTB.

    [–]beermeem 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

    Okay let me date myself and put the Velvet Underground Radio on Pandora before I answer this. Actually, I'm not that old... I'd say it's a combination of an inability to create an attractive image and an overly inflated idea of what one should have.

    You may not recall maybe ten years ago there was this huge thing in the media -- women 30+ to 45 who were "very deserving!" of a good man but "just couldn't find The One." It's kinda like that. Just people who think they should get to fuck beautiful rich people by the pool all day because they're so deserving.

    I mean, that's the jaded version ;-) But an individual does have to create value for those around them. As much of a crazy capitalist as that makes me sound like. And, yeah, media hate...

    [–]christine_grab 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    That makes sense. Yeah, our culture has gotten to be really shallow, and I think that is tied to why in dating people have a big disconnect with expectations vs reality. The reality is that everyone has flaws and the right person for you is someone whose flaws you can live with.

    I also think the shallow nature of our culture nowadays is why we have such an explosion in the homeless population. If something happened to my family and we became homeless, we could couch surf for years because we have a big network of people who love us. But we've invested in deep relationships with all of them. Nowadays, people have hundreds of "friends," but they aren't really friends, only shallow acquaintances. Then they have no one deeply invested in to turn to for help in hard times.

    [–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    There's /s/mensrights and /s/MGTOW if you're curious, though I don't know if there's much action there.

    There's also /s/Incel and /s/Incels. To my knowledge they are like depressed people, and no matter what you say you can't reach them. The want to be bitter and angry about the unfairness life has dealt them. They are not open to new ideas by any means. I think Incels are similar to BPF int this way. They are an isolationist cult IMO and limited exposure. I never heard of /s/BlackPillFeminism or /s/PinkPillFeminism before they showed up here recently.

    [–]JasonCarswell 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

    I thought Men's Rights Activists use that MRA term. I'm not up on all the stuff but according to this Men Are Good channel I recently discovered and watched a couple episodes, and those MRA guys think the loud and extremist MGTOW are making a bad name for Men's Rights (though the quiet MGTOW guys are just quietly just going their own way without a lot of fuss or anti-women stuff, often not even identifying as MGTOW). Also, from back when The Red Pill documentary came out the Men's Rights guys and gals seemed very rational.

    Beyond this I don't know anything more. Please correct me where I'm wrong.

    The Men's Rights (and Children's Rights) groups seem pretty reasonable to me (from the limited stuff I've seen), willing to work on Women's Rights and Human Rights in general - which is basically against the Ruling Class and their corrupt systems, including the justice system. Aside from occasionally making micro-aggressive and minor-aggressive statements on occasion (feeling slighted and without legal recourse as they do) that might trigger SJWs, I don't see much to complain about. How do you feel they are misguided?

    [–]beermeem 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

    That's a two part question, so I'll follow you from the top. As usual, /u/JasonCarswell I 100% agree with you in principle.

    MRA's do use the MRA moniker. And I feel like it's one of those terms that has been "ported" to where "most" people just roll their eyes when they hear "MRA." I'm glad you brought up The Red Pill. It was made by a feminist and had Gloria FUCKING Steinem featured in it and speaking in favor of its ends. Susan Faludi (a personal hero) was writing about these things in the 90's and disowned by feminism then. The fact that Gloria Steinem has been disowned by modern feminism tells you all I need to know. These people (MRA's) are REASONABLE.

    That's part one. Part two -- "MRA's" are likely in a desperate attempt simply to organize and save lives. They're in Stage 1 of their political movement. Very noble but no real organizational ability to create broad change. Why? They have no PR. They are too strident and convinced of their own righteousness. If I were running the movement, I'd tone it down and gloss it up. Make it accessible. Make it look and feel good.

    I would say any "movement" peaks in Stage 3 -- a balance between helping people and having good PR. Meanwhile, the modern "feminist" and "BLM" movements are at Stage 5 -- already peaked and now nothing more than PR. In short, they stand not for what they claim to espouse. They just fool people while other actors take advantage of the accrued power from their development between Stages 2-4.

    [–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    I suspect the MRAs have the very formidable problem of not being wanted by corporatocracy, therefore won't get the funding, PR, media, etc. They can be ignored until it's time to swat or SWAT them.

    /s/Terminology/comments/5rfp/dynamic_silence_a_method_of_closing_off_all/

    As someone with experience in the MSM with a fascination for the art of persuasion (advertising) I completely agree with your ideas to "tone it down and gloss it up. Make it accessible. Make it look and feel good." Simple but effective. I feel the same way about truth-seeking. After I finish my first draft of my Bittersweet Seeds cautionary story, I will be turning my attention to my Trutherism 101 animated series idea. Short, informative, clear, glossy, and funny. My online workers-coop for both project and for other people's projects: Glossed And Profound. Now if I could just focus, finish, and start sharing my results in the subs I made for them. But I'm addicted to current events!

    As for your stages. You neglected or forgot to include the infiltration, corruption, and subversion of the movements. A movement for any group in the working class will get targeted, penetrated, perverted, and twisted into doing the opposite of what it was initially intended to do, before it gets wiped out. If it's lucky it might get another wave or few.

    [–]flugegeheimen 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    MRA - Men Rights Activists. It's not really a pejorative label. I think the notion that it is stems from the habit of feminist screechers to hurl this label at everyone who doesn't kiss their ass, like it's a bad thing.

    Basically MRA are kind of people who would complain how they are regularly mugged and how police doesn't give a shit about it because they have certain physical traits.

    MGTOW are kind of people who would point out that they aren't going to leave the house at all and usually won't get mugged as a result. Which is technically correct too.

    [–]BravoVictor 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    I'm not fully in the weeds on this story, but this smacks of agitprop.

    [–]JasonCarswell 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Agreed. Between this and the Wayfair nonsense I'm wondering what these psyops are distracting us from.

    [–]flugegeheimen 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Thanks for reading The Times.

    I wonder if it's a good idea to use archive.is for links like that like certain subreddits did on Reddit. Don't really want to give money in any form to these rags.

    [–]Aureus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    I'm wondering about this myself.

    Which denies them more revenue? Using their website with an adblocker - which gives them a click, but also strains their server resources? Or using archive.is - which denies them the click, but does not strain their server? I'm genuinely not sure.

    [–]Tom_Bombadil 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    A hit job by anti-feminist lawyer makes the most sense to me.

    I do not think that the attempted assassination of a federal judge has anything to do with a relationship between the one of the most powerful banking institutions in the EU, and that obscure Mossad honey-pot Epstein guy.

    Epstein's long dead (living in Tel Aviv), and there's no reason to continue to follow the money (cause no one ever finds answers there).

    It's 2020 everyone, and we've all had too much to think.

    It's obviously another case of identity politics extremism, because everyone knows that anti-feminist lawyers rule the world.

    /S

    [–]lestratege 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Yahoo is actually better than the NYT... https://www.yahoo.com/news/gunman-suspected-attacking-judge-esther-230159625.html

    "Oral arguments in the case were scheduled to be heard by Salas last month, but were "cancelled without new date," the court docket read."

    It's politics 101: if you do not hear people's grievance, they will make them heard through force.

    "Justice is subject to dispute; might is easily recognised and is not disputed. So we cannot give might to justice, because might has gainsaid justice, and has declared that it is she herself who is just. And thus being unable to make what is just strong, we have made what is strong just.” "

    And there you go...

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Hollander. I rest my case.