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[–]fred_red_beans 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

There is no evidence to support your assertion of a 5 to 14% mortality rate.

https://saidit.net/s/science/comments/3i9b/nature_medicine_covid19_in_wuhan_was_14/

https://saidit.net/s/Coronavirus/comments/3vz3/danish_blood_tests_shed_new_light_on_the/

https://saidit.net/s/Coronavirus/comments/3wo8/stanford_study_finds_covid19_infection_rate/

Current mortality rate is not out of bounds with a bad flu season.

The amount of fear and hysteria is certainly unprecedented.

[–]MostlySunnySkies 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Italy went into lockdown on Mar 9.

By the end of March 32 of 50 states were mandating social distancing.

These papers are all arriving later, a fact which is everything and what's more, it's a fact which we expect and want to happen; it's called "further study" and its what science does:

https://saidit.net/s/Coronavirus/comments/3wo8/stanford_study_finds_covid19_infection_rate/ 17 Apr, 2020 22:36

https://saidit.net/s/Coronavirus/comments/3vz3/danish_blood_tests_shed_new_light_on_the/ 8. APR 2020

With the exception of this one:

https://saidit.net/s/science/comments/3i9b/nature_medicine_covid19_in_wuhan_was_14/ 19 March 2020

But in this very paper there comes this sage observation, which is the same one I am making here:

For a completely novel pathogen, especially one with a high (say, >2) basic reproductive number (the expected number of secondary cases generated by a primary case in a completely susceptible population) relative to other recently emergent and seasonal directly transmissible respiratory pathogens4, assuming homogeneous mixing and mass action dynamics, the majority of the population will be infected eventually unless drastic public health interventions are applied over prolonged periods and/or vaccines become available sufficiently quickly.

Even under more realistic assumptions about mixing informed by observed clustering of infections within households and the increasingly apparent role of superspreading events (for example, the Diamond Princess cruise ship, Chinese prisons and the church in Daegu, South Korea)5,6, at least one-quarter to one-half of the population will very likely become infected, absent drastic control measures or a vaccine. Therefore, the number of severe outcomes or deaths in the population is most strongly dependent on how ill an infected person is likely to become, and this question should be the focus of attention.

We know that the death rate may be lower than the CONFIRMED data we have at hand, you're not telling epidemiologists anything they don't know, but how much lower? We needed more information to determine that. This paper is one tiny bit of information derived from one single data point, as they explain::

Briefly, because the healthcare structure has been overwhelmed in Wuhan and milder cases were unlikely to have been tested, we used the prevalence of infection in travelers (both on commercial flights before 19 January and on charter flights from 29 January to 4 February) to estimate the true prevalence of infection in Wuhan; we also used the Wuhan case numbers from only the first 425 cases to estimate the growth rate of the epidemic

Even the authors themselves don't recommend backing off social distancing. They did one study using a single source of data. It's interesting and perhaps suggestive but not by any measure definitive enough to guide public policy.

But you're suggesting it should have driven public policy. Because that's what we're talking about here- public policy.

Public policy was and should be as conservative as is bearable until enough data is accumulated to warrant the risk of backing off. This is what this paper itself says, as I pointed out.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

You literally, ignored two posters who debunked your 5 - 14% mortality myth, which indeed is a myth. It's even higher than the death risk that scumbag CDC RICO enterprise officials were pushing, ie. not accounting the infection rate and all the other factor that determine the mortality rate.

Stanford study finds Covid-19 infection rate likely 50-85 times higher than reported, but could mean the mortality rate is 0.14% percent or less instead of 3.4%.

secondary cases generated by a primary case in a completely susceptible population) relative to other recently emergent and seasonal directly transmissible respiratory pathogens4, assuming homogeneous mixing and mass action dynamics, the majority of the population will be infected eventually unless drastic public health interventions are applied over prolonged periods and/or vaccines become available sufficiently quickly.

Bunch of humdrum without any backing. Fearmongering to its fullest. Interestingly, places like Spain and Italy do NOT have excess deaths and yet even before social distancing their mortalities were on the decline.

Nevertheless, still doesn't explain the 14% mortality rate lie.

[–]MostlySunnySkies 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Nope. Wrong again. You are refuted in the above post on this very thread.

https://saidit.net/s/news/comments/428w/what_if_the_lockdown_was_a_big_mistake/evdr

[–]astronautrob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

This dudes just going to keep saying your refuted and citing his own posts. Hilarious. Also probably just getting paid to shill it up. Idk why they waste their money on saidit, no one here is buying this nonsense. You'd think they'd find better ways to spend their money.

[–]MostlySunnySkies 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Oh so when some idiot who does not read his opposition's posts says somethng which has laready directly been addressed and refuted, it is "lame" to link to the refutation. We must endlessly rewrite the post anew, because our opposition can't read.

I see no need to repeat myself. Anyone who wants to can confrim the post above refutes directly his reply.

[–]astronautrob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

This has been refuted already. See above post.

[–]MostlySunnySkies 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So you can't reference an earlier post which directly addresses your opponent's point. Why is that, exactly? Are we to act as if people are too lazy to click a link now?

[–]astronautrob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But what you're having people click just returns them to your jibberish. Why would we want to read the same thing twice? Especially something so poorly researched and sourced. It prob makes your job easier I understand. Do they pay you by the hour, word, post? Prob by the hour so I understand why you'd be wasting people time linking back to a comment that's in the same thread. You gotta make it look like you're doing something or the boss gets on ya huh? Again, let him know they shouldn't be wasting their money on said it, no one's buying it my friend. Also everything you say is already refuted by my earlier post.