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[–]asg101 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

The Iraq war, as well as the Afghanistan war, have been about transferring trillions of dollars of wealth from the poor and working class to the offshore accounts of the war profiteers. To call either of them "failures" is to ignore their true goals.

[–]Jesus[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Agreed. They were not faliures in the least bit. And many diferent people with different tribal ideologies profited or had geopolitical interests in the war initiated by a false flag.

[–]AnarchySpeach 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Sure it wasn't both?

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, it was, but not in Iraq, nor in regards to lobbying for war.

Afghanistan was the target of UNOCAL project and the Saudi aligned Bush family in general, who wanted the Taliban to cooperate so they could erect pipelines.

Of course, why would the Taliban cooperate? They wouldn't.

The Neocons tirelessly stated, and I'm paraphrasing here: who gives a ratz ass about those afghanis. Who cares about Afghanistan!

I read many articles and watched many boring Harvard speeches by Robert Kagen and that weasel Bill Kristol over the years, they all attacked the notion that the US government wanted to invade Afghanistan whilst they, these Likudnik alligned neocons, hypocritically advocated for war in Iraq.

Then I realized 9/11 was a triple-false-flag-cross.

I realized that there are many power struggles in the US, which the well researched book 'The Power of Israel in the US' by James Petras has shown me.

When I saw bush reading to kids in the Florida elementary school during the 9/11 event, just staring vacantly into space for 8 straight minutes, perplexxed and confused, I realize, not then, but over a number of years when circumstances led me to research this aspect what had happened.

One neocon columnist for the TIMES, I'll have to find his name, a total warmonger, states that Bush didn't know why he became president... on 9/11, he finally realized why.

Bush's perplexed face during that day was markedly telling. Of course that does not exempt him from his warmongering campaigns and utter stupidity afterwards, but in that moment, one could evidently see a person who had been utterly fooled.

The Bush family has had a long history of opposing Israel --- Bush Sr. had a Mossad hit on him for witholding billions of dollars in aid to Israel; he also shunned the idea that the US must invade Iraq by the suggestions of the neocons in their covert Think Tanks such as DPG, and who was one of the first to advocate for a one state solution, something not even Bernie Sanders advocates for, not any of the current candidates today. Bush Se. appeased many Jewish groups such as the Chanad-Lubavitchers but for the most part was against eh suggestions of the neocons who he held as Machiavellian and destructive to his leadership, or lack thereof.

The neocons then sent many policy papers to Clinton warning him about international terrorism. Nearly predicting forthcoming events, as if they had planned them. Like Bush Sr. Clinton listened but did not follow through and so they reoccurring media drivel of his impeachment was a celebratory victory for the neocons who had largely hijacked the media.

The only Bush who signed the PNAC document was Jeb. George was not a signatory. Many of the signatories were scientists, officials in academia, and many normal educated people who wished to see a reestablishment of unilateral strength. The authors in particular were majority Zionists, aligned with neocons and the Likudniks who have had a long history of false flags and terror attacks. The signatories were a mix of different characters.

Some signatories after Iraq went onto write books disparaging their distaste for the neocons and their Straussian public myth advocation.

9/11 was NOT orchestrated by Bush, but by Mossad. The Likudnik aligned so-called 'free press,' Zionist owned started to attack the Bush family and pushed their many, many connections to Bin Laden and the Saudis just after 9/11. The 28 pages were a part of this perception management. This was blackmail to help cover-up the false flags.

In the end, the right-wing Zionists and Likudniks benefited greatly, Bush keeping his mouth shut followed the Zionist script hook-line-and-sinker, reading what Zionist David Frum prepared for him. If the US government were to expose who did 9/11 an entire population would want to annihilate Israel which had been our ally and which holds good strategic and geopolitical positions.

I'll write something more in depth someday but the jist of it is that Bush did not do 9/11. The Bush family was not that close to Israel and the Zionist interest, although Robert Kagen was a member of skull and bones as were the Bush's. The Bush's were close to Bin Laden a CIA asset, and many oil rich Saudi families. The neocons knew this and used this to their advantage. Just go back in historycommons and read neoconservative articles on Bush and Saudi Arabia, and before 9/11, many of them predicting the 9/11 and Anthrax attacks.

As for Cheney, he said he had finally found people who thought like he did. He simply made profit off of the war via reconstruction efforts with Halliburton and services for drilling products.