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[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Name the nut jobs?

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Are you serious?

There are a lot of crazy theories out there. Some even have a foot in reality.

For example, as a professional animator in NYC 1996-2001 + 2004 all mostly at NTSC 720x486(510) @ 30fps interlaced, I can guarantee you that with a small talented team with the proper connections, the live 9-11 footage of planes hitting the towers, plus following up with all the other collected footage COULD have been faked if no planes were actually there. Knowing all of this, I still find it utterly absurd that the deep state actors involved would have bothered with this route, especially with all the other evidence.

In short, I believe real planes (or drones) hit the towers. (The Pentagon is another question, and Barbara Honegger has the best take on that, IMO.)

Another popular person who seems to be intentionally obtuse or an infiltrator is Dr. Judy Wood.

Even Richard Gage's Architects & Engineers seems infiltrated, raising lots of money to be mismanaged and delayed by some lady exec (I forget her name) that really shouldn't have been allowed power on the board. (All this is second hand via David Slesinger, legit and active and of the few fighting the good fight (if he's still there) on Quora, another extreeeeeemely rigged site.)

If I'm not mistaken you have a grudge on Ryan Dawson who has either gotten soft or confused on some things or as you suggest intentionally muddies the water on them. I had a long one I meant to finish and share about that but to be honest I don't give much of a fuck about the minutia of Dawson's casual inaccuracies as they come up then are put down so often it's annoying. He's also over-confident in a lot of areas - like Epstein is dead. Most likely but far from proven.

Then there are the tribalists who say it's this group or that group - or it's not them. Meanwhile it's obvious it's an international cooperative effort among leaders and their trusted conspirators.

Beyond that I can't go into more detail as I don't waste time on remembering the nonsense. And to be quite frank, I don't know who she considers to be nut jobs enough to denounce the whole movement, or the so-called wide-spread fracturing of it, who as a whole seem worthy of denouncing and distancing from. I've seen many different areas of 9-11 to focus on, but I have yet to see distinctly different communities arise from it. But maybe that's just me.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Thanks, I just wanted to know if you knew, who they were. I would NOT call them nutjobs though, but cognitive infiltraters. They know that they are putting out nonsense and half-truths because that are hired to do just that. Like Alex Jones and Stratfor.

The hollow towers, and dummies is a weird theory.

What is true is that the towers were low in capacity and some researchers might be right on the large number killed, which might be faked. Simon Shack had discovered that nearly ALL the peopel who were on the four planes were mock vicsims. And there is much evidence to this. Many of the people who died in the towers were also mock vicsims. I do not believe that nobody died, that woudl be the greatest magic trick and fake terror attrocity in history but there was a PSYOP being conducted on 9/11 that day, and I believe it was the planes. I do NOT think anyone was on them and the planes that hit the towers and Pentagon and the one that supposedly dissapeared into a hole in PA, were drones made to look like passenger Jets as per Operation Northwoods.

I don't trust Barbara Honegger and her past history.

Wood is an obvious controlled opposition.

Even Richard Gage's Architects & Engineers seems infiltrated, raising lots of money to be mismanaged and delayed by some lady exec (I forget her name) that really shouldn't have been allowed on the board. (All this is second hand via David Slesinger, legit and active and of the few fighting the good fight (if he's still there) on Quora another extreeeeeemely rigged site.)

He's a freemason and the logo looks liek a freemasonic compass, but Gage seems to be in the right place but it is true, many people in that movement are shills trying to subvert it.

Yes, Dawson bans anyone who questions the plane psyop. That is: if one believes in the Operation Northwoods, drone theory.

Meanwhile it's obvious it's an international cooperative effort among leaders and their trusted conspirators.

I agree, it served the purposes of the anglo-American establishment acutely for arms dealers, defense contractors, etc and oil companies and possibly LNG companies but it also hurt many large oil companies doing bussiness with Iraq. I think the IRAQ war was pushed largely by Mossad, and the neocons, Afghanistan by the anglo-American establishment and UNOCAL. To say it was Israel only, is to deny that the anglo-American establishment benefited from it. It is clear Israel did benefit from 9/11 and the global war on terror. Who carried out the attack, it seems to me Zionsit interests did 9/11. From teh cover-up, managerial, and planning and security all under Zionist control, it is clear the Likudniks and ZIonists within the US government and executive branch had a hand. As for the demolition, someone was contracted.

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Right. I used the "nut jobs" pejorative because she used it or something akin to it, without explaining why. Of course, I forgot Alex Jones too.

Never heard of hollow towers, though I heard they were largely empty too.

Dummies is new to me too. The photos of the jumpers are real, even if there's not much blood. Almost half of the number don't have DNA verification and I suspect many of them may be fiction to inflate the number.

With each impact debris flew out the other side, and one would presume some bodies and parts too. This directional velocity might have even gone further than the ejected debris in the collapse.

I'm with you on the drones thing. To what end, and what happened to the others, I don't know, other than removing potential variables that could complicate matters. I do know that it would be VERY easy to dispose of a lot of people quietly - more so than the MSM would have you believe. (ie. Holocaust : If they're already in a train car, leave them there for a week or few, then park the train on a river bridge with a large grinder under the train car's drop-away floor. So much simpler.)

Why don't you trust Honegger? Her history? And do you like any of her theories?

Great clear summary on the Zionists and Likudniks - yet no one in the MSM is even willing to question the origins of the Global War Of Terror.

Indeed, someone was contracted to take down the >3.5 towers.

The military also has professional demolition teams, but they aren't concerned about falling into footprints, etc. with other war-focused priorities. Hard to say who it could have been as this falls into the footprint of neither, typical military nor typical demolition.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Well, the passengers switching their transponders to drones would have to be in on it. Meaning they were paid. And this seems to be the case, as many people with aliases have been exposed on letsrollforums. Northwoods never said they would kill the passengers on the passenger planes which were to be switched with drones in mid llight but a hundred to two hundred would be part of the ruse and they would conduct mock funerals as well.

Honegger is fromer military, I don't trust her for that reason. What part of her theories do you find compelling?

yet no one in the MSM is even willing to question the origins of the Global War Of Terror.

That's because the entire media apparatus is controlled by thh CIA and Zionist interests. Look at ALL of the shills in the media pushing for war, they all happen to be either NEOCONS, mostly Jewish Zionists, or Christian Zionists.

Read Graeme MacQueen's small book on the Anthrax attack and research all of the media pundits that pushed for war and lied about the Anthrax Attacks, you'll see a mathematically impossible pattern.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Honegger is fromer military, I don't trust her for that reason.

A very valid reason indeed to be skeptical of all folks with military, intelligence, finance, media connections. Trust is a heavy word. I wouldn't say I "trust" her, and I wouldn't go so far as to say I distrust her either.

If they are going to blow up WTC, why wouldn't they also use explosives in the Pentagon? She lays out the case for it well, to my armchair amateur opinion. As far as what actually hit the building she lays out a few scenarios, rather that sticking to one (ie. Ryan Dawson says it was a plane ONLY, and has offered images as proof, but I have yet to recognize that as proof.). Apparently there was a helicopter doing weird things before/during/after the event - maybe scattering debris. There is the missile theory. And of course there is the plane theory. None are mutually exclusive.

I don't know if Fetzer got crazier or if I got wiser, but there were some good ideas from him about it too, mixed in with some not good ideas. My fave of his is the burning dumpsters out front they wouldn't put out - for theatrics.

That's because the entire media apparatus is controlled by thh CIA and Zionist interests. Look at ALL of the shills in the media pushing for war, they all happen to be either NEOCONS, mostly Jewish Zionists, or Christian Zionists.

Yes of course. I was just punctuating how important it is, and why it's taboo for them to even come close to questioning it.

On my book list.