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[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

Do you have a source?

Her brother is/was a truther, as well. He also made an American Antrhrax documentary, so they're both well informed about the 9/11 facts.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

RObbie Martin is good, but he also is a LIHOP gatekeeper. I emailed him and he will ONLY go so far, never getting into the basics of demolition etc. I can never make out what he believes, maybe he is tryign to stay professional, although I don't knwo considering he is always smoking on his podcasts, but he'll only say so much about Mossad and the Likudniks, etc., but seems to never want to talk about the obvious 9/11 drone theory and WTC demolition.

I reccomend Graeme MacQueen's book on teh 2001 Anthrax Deception,

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

LIHOP

Letting It Happen On Purpose

http://www.halexandria.org/dward255.htm

Interesting indeed. You won't get assassinated (as much) for spitting their own new sources and propaganda back at them (ie. A Very Heavy Agenda, from what I've heard as I haven't seen it yet).

Thanks for the book recommendation.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

He's weird though. He questions WTC7, but as time goes on he starts shying away from the demolition theory and says, "well, even if it WAS NOT a demolition, the offical narrative isn't the truth." And it seems like he's tryign to push his leaders to the LIHOP theory which so many shills were tasked with doing. Think about Loose Change. It is quite odd that the creator denounced his past films and was featured on teh BBC doc on 9/11 pushing the LIHOP narrative. Why would he do that. Is he afriad people know to much about who might have done it?

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

How is making it happen vs letting it happen any less guilty? Both equally evil, IMO.

Luke Rudkowski or Jason Bermas denounced Loose Change? Links? Why indeed?

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Because making it happen, means that they planned it and ordered it to happen. Let it happen, means the offical story is the truth, such as the hijacking charade and that ONLY THE US government let it happen for war's sake.

Luke Rudkowski or Jason Bermas denounced Loose Change? Links? Why indeed?

I don't knwo about that, but Luke is controlled in my opinion, and the creator of Loose Change, which I have to find the BBC doc, denounced his former documentaries falling back on the LIHOP theory. That theory gives everyone a pass, and puts the blames on Islam and muslims.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Interesting. I thought the official story was they didn't see it coming. Is that what you mean by letting it happen?

To me there are 3 levels.

1) Standing on the sidewalk you hear the brakes and turn around to see the baby carriage get hit. It suddenly happened.

2) On the sidewalk you see the baby carriage and the car coming and do nothing despite ample time. Let it happen.

3) You push the carriage into the street, leave it there, and return to the sidewalk. Make it happen.

Sorry to hear that about Luke. He has a few other controversies too, but I figure we all do.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That they might have knew it was going to happen, but poor intelligence and knowing that such an event somewhere would cater to their geopolitical interests would in the long run benefit the US government. SO, LIHOP, melds the poor intelligence excuse with the possibility that they let the HIJACKERS complete their plan which destroyed 3.5 buildings. So, the hijacker narrative is still the true narrative in this story. The REAL narrative is that they planned and conducted it and covered it up. the LIHOP is part of that cover up; it is a limited hangout.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, and the hijacker story is full of holes from all directions too.

Thanks for the talk. I had never really thought of conflating 1) and 2) into a single LIHOP. They are clever.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

new thing called google. not sure about robbie, he seems good.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

I'm pretty sure she's still adamant that 9/11 was fishy as fuck.

I know that she's chosen to distance herself from the "Truther Movement" because of all the nut jobs in it.

I know she's gone very quiet on it, sadly. I suspect, like Naomi Klein, she is only reporting on that which she can verifiably prove.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Name the nut jobs?

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Are you serious?

There are a lot of crazy theories out there. Some even have a foot in reality.

For example, as a professional animator in NYC 1996-2001 + 2004 all mostly at NTSC 720x486(510) @ 30fps interlaced, I can guarantee you that with a small talented team with the proper connections, the live 9-11 footage of planes hitting the towers, plus following up with all the other collected footage COULD have been faked if no planes were actually there. Knowing all of this, I still find it utterly absurd that the deep state actors involved would have bothered with this route, especially with all the other evidence.

In short, I believe real planes (or drones) hit the towers. (The Pentagon is another question, and Barbara Honegger has the best take on that, IMO.)

Another popular person who seems to be intentionally obtuse or an infiltrator is Dr. Judy Wood.

Even Richard Gage's Architects & Engineers seems infiltrated, raising lots of money to be mismanaged and delayed by some lady exec (I forget her name) that really shouldn't have been allowed power on the board. (All this is second hand via David Slesinger, legit and active and of the few fighting the good fight (if he's still there) on Quora, another extreeeeeemely rigged site.)

If I'm not mistaken you have a grudge on Ryan Dawson who has either gotten soft or confused on some things or as you suggest intentionally muddies the water on them. I had a long one I meant to finish and share about that but to be honest I don't give much of a fuck about the minutia of Dawson's casual inaccuracies as they come up then are put down so often it's annoying. He's also over-confident in a lot of areas - like Epstein is dead. Most likely but far from proven.

Then there are the tribalists who say it's this group or that group - or it's not them. Meanwhile it's obvious it's an international cooperative effort among leaders and their trusted conspirators.

Beyond that I can't go into more detail as I don't waste time on remembering the nonsense. And to be quite frank, I don't know who she considers to be nut jobs enough to denounce the whole movement, or the so-called wide-spread fracturing of it, who as a whole seem worthy of denouncing and distancing from. I've seen many different areas of 9-11 to focus on, but I have yet to see distinctly different communities arise from it. But maybe that's just me.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Thanks, I just wanted to know if you knew, who they were. I would NOT call them nutjobs though, but cognitive infiltraters. They know that they are putting out nonsense and half-truths because that are hired to do just that. Like Alex Jones and Stratfor.

The hollow towers, and dummies is a weird theory.

What is true is that the towers were low in capacity and some researchers might be right on the large number killed, which might be faked. Simon Shack had discovered that nearly ALL the peopel who were on the four planes were mock vicsims. And there is much evidence to this. Many of the people who died in the towers were also mock vicsims. I do not believe that nobody died, that woudl be the greatest magic trick and fake terror attrocity in history but there was a PSYOP being conducted on 9/11 that day, and I believe it was the planes. I do NOT think anyone was on them and the planes that hit the towers and Pentagon and the one that supposedly dissapeared into a hole in PA, were drones made to look like passenger Jets as per Operation Northwoods.

I don't trust Barbara Honegger and her past history.

Wood is an obvious controlled opposition.

Even Richard Gage's Architects & Engineers seems infiltrated, raising lots of money to be mismanaged and delayed by some lady exec (I forget her name) that really shouldn't have been allowed on the board. (All this is second hand via David Slesinger, legit and active and of the few fighting the good fight (if he's still there) on Quora another extreeeeeemely rigged site.)

He's a freemason and the logo looks liek a freemasonic compass, but Gage seems to be in the right place but it is true, many people in that movement are shills trying to subvert it.

Yes, Dawson bans anyone who questions the plane psyop. That is: if one believes in the Operation Northwoods, drone theory.

Meanwhile it's obvious it's an international cooperative effort among leaders and their trusted conspirators.

I agree, it served the purposes of the anglo-American establishment acutely for arms dealers, defense contractors, etc and oil companies and possibly LNG companies but it also hurt many large oil companies doing bussiness with Iraq. I think the IRAQ war was pushed largely by Mossad, and the neocons, Afghanistan by the anglo-American establishment and UNOCAL. To say it was Israel only, is to deny that the anglo-American establishment benefited from it. It is clear Israel did benefit from 9/11 and the global war on terror. Who carried out the attack, it seems to me Zionsit interests did 9/11. From teh cover-up, managerial, and planning and security all under Zionist control, it is clear the Likudniks and ZIonists within the US government and executive branch had a hand. As for the demolition, someone was contracted.

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Right. I used the "nut jobs" pejorative because she used it or something akin to it, without explaining why. Of course, I forgot Alex Jones too.

Never heard of hollow towers, though I heard they were largely empty too.

Dummies is new to me too. The photos of the jumpers are real, even if there's not much blood. Almost half of the number don't have DNA verification and I suspect many of them may be fiction to inflate the number.

With each impact debris flew out the other side, and one would presume some bodies and parts too. This directional velocity might have even gone further than the ejected debris in the collapse.

I'm with you on the drones thing. To what end, and what happened to the others, I don't know, other than removing potential variables that could complicate matters. I do know that it would be VERY easy to dispose of a lot of people quietly - more so than the MSM would have you believe. (ie. Holocaust : If they're already in a train car, leave them there for a week or few, then park the train on a river bridge with a large grinder under the train car's drop-away floor. So much simpler.)

Why don't you trust Honegger? Her history? And do you like any of her theories?

Great clear summary on the Zionists and Likudniks - yet no one in the MSM is even willing to question the origins of the Global War Of Terror.

Indeed, someone was contracted to take down the >3.5 towers.

The military also has professional demolition teams, but they aren't concerned about falling into footprints, etc. with other war-focused priorities. Hard to say who it could have been as this falls into the footprint of neither, typical military nor typical demolition.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Well, the passengers switching their transponders to drones would have to be in on it. Meaning they were paid. And this seems to be the case, as many people with aliases have been exposed on letsrollforums. Northwoods never said they would kill the passengers on the passenger planes which were to be switched with drones in mid llight but a hundred to two hundred would be part of the ruse and they would conduct mock funerals as well.

Honegger is fromer military, I don't trust her for that reason. What part of her theories do you find compelling?

yet no one in the MSM is even willing to question the origins of the Global War Of Terror.

That's because the entire media apparatus is controlled by thh CIA and Zionist interests. Look at ALL of the shills in the media pushing for war, they all happen to be either NEOCONS, mostly Jewish Zionists, or Christian Zionists.

Read Graeme MacQueen's small book on the Anthrax attack and research all of the media pundits that pushed for war and lied about the Anthrax Attacks, you'll see a mathematically impossible pattern.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Honegger is fromer military, I don't trust her for that reason.

A very valid reason indeed to be skeptical of all folks with military, intelligence, finance, media connections. Trust is a heavy word. I wouldn't say I "trust" her, and I wouldn't go so far as to say I distrust her either.

If they are going to blow up WTC, why wouldn't they also use explosives in the Pentagon? She lays out the case for it well, to my armchair amateur opinion. As far as what actually hit the building she lays out a few scenarios, rather that sticking to one (ie. Ryan Dawson says it was a plane ONLY, and has offered images as proof, but I have yet to recognize that as proof.). Apparently there was a helicopter doing weird things before/during/after the event - maybe scattering debris. There is the missile theory. And of course there is the plane theory. None are mutually exclusive.

I don't know if Fetzer got crazier or if I got wiser, but there were some good ideas from him about it too, mixed in with some not good ideas. My fave of his is the burning dumpsters out front they wouldn't put out - for theatrics.

That's because the entire media apparatus is controlled by thh CIA and Zionist interests. Look at ALL of the shills in the media pushing for war, they all happen to be either NEOCONS, mostly Jewish Zionists, or Christian Zionists.

Yes of course. I was just punctuating how important it is, and why it's taboo for them to even come close to questioning it.

On my book list.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I suspect that everything changed for her after JRE 1111.

Just like it did for Joe Rogan.

Too much truth about Isreal was exposed to too many people.

The episode is well worth watching.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I know I saw it, but don't recall much more about it. I don't even remember the last JRE I saw. He slid terribly.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I'm afraid of new things... Please help...

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

the real tom bombadil would throw google up into the air and catch it and make it disappear

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 5 fun1 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

That keeps happening.

That's why i need your help...

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

More than just American Anthrax, he made A Very Heavy Agenda (which I can't afford to buy and has yet to be pirated).

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I watched it, it's good, but the music sort of gets annoying. I think everyone should watch it, but it never really gets into the connection between 9/11 and the NEOCONS, and he mentions the so-called fascist mercenary fighters in the Ukraine who are fighting the seperatists ie. Russians in eastern Ukraine. They are neo-nazis, allegedly, but he forgets to mention that their biggest donor is a Zionist, Israeli Jew. And the more I looked into them they more I realized they were not really neo-nazis but just used their symbology. It would have been good to talk about the funding involved. As for Trump, Martin said there is a part 6, but he never published it.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

LOL, Robbie Martin is also known as the ambient music artist Florescent Grey.

I was lead to believe AVHA was all about the NeoCons and their Project For A New American Century, especially the Kagan clan.

Interesting stuff!

From 2015-2017 I really wanted what is now the /s/Trutherism101 project to include a lot of irrefutable soundbites of villains in their own words in order to be "legit" with citations, etc. Eventually I dropped the sample-fest concept for a bigger picture without the distractions of celebrity and their words, and finally grew the confidence to be my own legitimate source with my own views.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It is about the Neocons but a documentary that focuses on their movements after 9/11. It isn't as potent as linking them to 9/11 as other films.