In a story that the media isn't reporting about, China is hurting bad from the trade war. "Many Chinese companies are pessimistic about their futures", "Chinese companies have become wary of their foreign buyers leaving them for tariff-free manufacturing outside China"

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[–]RatherSmallPotato 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (13 children)

Or because nobody cares except some weirdos on saidit. Gotta make that ad revenue money, but for that we need mainstream BS.

There might be a hole in the market for a new VICE that does what they used to do.

[–]a_rogue_modron 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

People with sense care, but they aren't talking about it. There's been a quiet exodus of manufacturing from China to other places lately.

People are concerned that China's strong arming of their own people is a prelude to the whole country closing off.. which isn't unsupported by history. The Chinese economy cannot stand up under outside observation because of all the bailout money they keep pumping into their system, but if they were to close off they could keep going for a while longer.

I fully expect China to balkanize in the next 50 years.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Interesting take. Can you see the USA separating? Not likely. The War of Northern Aggression was not for nothing.

Balkanization is a weapon upon weak states, artificial division used to create chaos, isolation, and to weaken. There is no reason for the powerful China to do that to itself as it takes the mantle of the most powerful nation.

[–]Chipit[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

You're not familiar with Chinese history. The provinces do not wish to be ruled by the center that extracts their wealth for use on imperial goals. China isn't a nation, it's an empire. Left to its own devices it would break up into parts, as has happened many times before.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

That's not unique to China. Do you think Oregon wants to be ruled by D.C.? The South failed to escape. Tibet will never be free of China and Puerto Rico, Philippines, nor Detroit will never be free of the USA.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

more recently when quebec tried to secede from canada, the queen said fuck no. The lites want more centralization, not more decentralization. China has tight control, really just taiwan and hong kong they don't have control over and they are working on hong kong.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly, more centralization is the order of the day. Fracturing only happens to those they wish to control - from balkanizing nations to destroying strong ethic communities in cities enticing and forcing them into the bland "white" suburbs where they are much weaker as a people, and with feminism and other weapons breaking up the family unit. A Brave New World is the goal with just individuals vs the "state".

Quebec never really had a chance anyway. I would be fine if Quebec left so they could be happier on their own, less strangled by Ottawa, etc. I'm quite sure we'd still trade, etc.

Canada is not a dominion free of the crown, despite them saying so in 1980-81. That was just more political theatre.

The Queen(tm) is more than just some tart in a frilly hat. She's just the figurehead of one of the largest institutions in the world.

And Taiwan has never been out of their sights. It is in essence one of those proxy battlegrounds when necessary, for wars in business and policy, maybe eventually even in blood.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Whataboutism. We were talking about China.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You forked into balkanization and whataboutism totally applies when speculating about the machinations of power. They centralize the strong and decentralize the weak. China is hardly weak and is not getting weaker.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

The USA has never had a history of breaking apart and reforming. China? Has.

[–]a_rogue_modron 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

China has spent more time in pieces than it has a unified nation. It's a region DEFINED by its tendency to go to war with itself.

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

This is not your great great great grandfather's China.

[–]Chipit[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So, your thesis is that China today is so profoundly different than it's ever been? And has no danger of breaking apart whatsoever?

Jesus you're ignorant. Modern China is only 70 years removed from a civil war and 43 years removed from its last revolution. The CPC enthusiastically flogs hatred of Japan to keep the country together. They constantly keep the propaganda humming lest provinces try to keep their own money to spend on themselves.