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[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Okay, well we will agree to disagree on the six million figure. Through 5 years of research I could find no proof for the 6 million figure only hearsay from known liars. The proof I found was not of a genocide deniers pleasure in discovering a revisionist history, no, I simply looked through population and emigration reports, camp records from the Germans and Soviets, and Switzerland, census data on detained Jews, etc, and so, I like other revisionists came to the figure 2.5 million and nearly 1 million who were exterminated and executed by the Nazis and to a lesser extent the Soviets. That is 5 years of research and I tried very hard to prove that 6 million died, this just isn't the case. I based this for a long time on the 4.5 million gassed figure which was propagandized for thirty years before mainstream scholars had to lower the number by three fold, and in some cases 5 fold in various camps, which might have been delousing chambers to begin with. SInce we can't trust most sources and there are estimates that are under and over exaggerated, I researched these claims. And I, personally came to a 2.5 million figure.

Now as for the original definition of the Holocaust. Your source says the lower-case “holocaust” has described the violent deaths of large groups of people probably since the 18th century.

So, they certainly are not sure when this definition was used for other purposes. Though they have an idea.

It should be noted that a holocaust is a religious animal sacrifice that is completely consumed by fire. The word derives from the Ancient Greek holokaustos, "whole" and καυστός "burnt", with rough breathing), which is used solely for one of the major forms of sacrifice, "burnt offering" in Ancient Israel.

A "burnt offering" – from the verb "to cause to ascend," hence "burn") is a type of Biblical sacrifice in which the entire sacrifice is completely burnt, consumed totally by fire. It was used by the ancient Israelites. And might have been used for this genocide to denote a sacrafice of Jews for the founding of Israel, as biblical prophecy. It isn't too crazy to say this considering many Zionists, even those who were Nazis, were quite outspoken in advocating for a major pogrom or war that would push the Jewish diaspora eastward towards Israel, exactly what happened. Hitler in fact claims in Mein Kampf that Zionism was a great ideology, for obvious reasons.

So, they make it know in their memiors that a suffering must take place, and that antisemities must be our friends. The suffering and death had to take place according to them.

[–]Anticapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Your source says the lower-case “holocaust”

Don't try to save face- the word holocaust was used before the nazi holocaust.

research

You're repeating the same things I debunked already.

eg:

  • you look at the biased population estimates of people bigoted against jews, when jews may have not been properly reporting their population.

  • you simply accuse people who use higher estimates (and of quoting high estimates) of being liars & hoaxers.

  • you act like the nazis (who were hiding a genocide) would have given you the data for your "research."

Sigh.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

You look at the biased population estimates of people bigoted against jews, when jews may have not been properly reporting their population.

No. I didn't, I looked at all reports and census data. Your source was a known liar and hearsay.

You simply accuse people who use higher estimates (and of quoting high estimates) of being liars & hoaxers.

Just the source you linked, who is a liar and a hoaxer and, yes, his testimony is hearsay and he was proven by many scholars to lack any credibility. Again, I'm not going to believe someone who says Eichmann told him 6 million Jews died, when Eichmann then said he never said that.

you act like the nazis (who were hiding a genocide) would have given you the data for your "research."

No, not really.

But again, since you believe the six million figure to be true, can you prove it to be true. Because I wasn't able to. Can you show me that that figure is the sole truth backed up by facts and figures. Thanks.

[–]Anticapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You look at the biased population estimates of people bigoted against jews, when jews may have not been properly reporting their population.

I looked at all reports and census data.

I didn't say you didn't look at the reports or census data, I said that if people feel they are victims of persecution/prejudice they might not accurately report themselves to government population estimates.

(I said the population estimates would logically be wrong if people felt they were victims of persecution/prejudice.)

You didn't even respond to my debunk of your position.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Sorry, I just posted a comment to you meant for someone else. I said that if people feel they are victims of persecution/prejudice they might not accurately report themselves to government population estimates. Okay, and can you provide some figures or a source for this that would accoutn for the 6 million figure? Does the persecution/prejudice account for the 6 million figure?

[–]Anticapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You're still not getting it.

I'm saying the sources/estimates of population can not be trusted when people feel they must hide from persecution/prejudice.

(ie that's what is rational.)

And if you need some "authority figure" to say this (for you to consider it) then you are not being rational.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Okay, then I agree with your statements. But I certainly don't agree with the figures.