A principal in Florida said he couldn't confirm the Holocaust was a 'factual' event. The school district just fired him

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[–]Anticapitalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

No one can confirm anything major about history was a factual event.

Incorrect. eg:

  1. There's lots of video/photo evidence of the concentration camps, mass graves, etc.
  2. The population of jewish people (and other people disliked by the nazis) massively dropped by many millions. In fact the estimate of 6 million jewish people being killed was in big part based on how many people disappeared.

Please do not act like these events were just a wild guess. People might not know if the germans killed 5.5m jews or 6.5m jews, but this is a well recorded factual event with a lot of evidence showing what happened.

[–]Only71Genders 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

  1. Vidoes and photos have been altered since the beginning of vidoes and photos. And videos and photos can be staged. Easily. Or just given a fake description that retards will blindly believe. Meanwhile do any of them show the totality of any event? The answer is no, never.

  2. There are contradicting accounts of population figures, and figures can be intentionally manipulated at any time. And also don't prove anything, especially if a group has gone into hiding, refuses to accurately answer a census, or is no longer in a region conducting that accurate of a census.

So all you have is personal faith that everyone had been honest and no one ever altered anything for any personal gain. This is a broad brush statement. Actually, all of these are. Not specifically talking about Jews or genocide. So you, and everyone else, can't factually prove anything. Saying otherwise is a lie. Proof to an arbitrary standard is the best anyone can hope for. You can lie and act like you know something is absolutely certain, but no one does. They just believe what they want to believe (typically whatever their programming has told them to believe) and get angry and defensive at anyone who questions it. Basically like any religious person.

[–]Anticapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Vidoes and photos have been altered since the beginning of vidoes and photos.

Well when the photos & "vidoes" of all the nations who survived attacks by the Nazi genocides all show a train system for moving huge amounts of people to genocidal death camps, I think that's pretty good evidence personally.

Maybe you're in denial of the obvious?

I'm all for questioning power & the story they tell, but sometimes you can take conspiracy too far and become totally cruel & irrational.

[–]Only71Genders 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

Do they really show that? I mean, can you prove that is what they are showing? You are assuming that is what they are showing. Because that is what you want to believe. And that is what you were told. How does a train system automatically verify a genocide? All it verifies is that a train system existed somewhere at some point in time.

Maybe you're in denial of the obvious?

Are you being ironic or are just projecting? YOU are the one denying reality. I am pointing out basic facts of existence and you aren't even able to address them. You are clinging on to a discussion about the Holocaust that is barely even relevant.

I'm all for questioning power & the story they tell, but sometimes you can take conspiracy too far and become totally cruel & irrational.

You are the only one that desperately wants a horrific genocide to have taken place. I would be thrilled if it never happened. What type of person WANTS the holocaust to have happened?? I'm just pointing out that we have no clue if it did or didn't happen as we have been told it did. I even pointed out that it could have been more than six million Jews that were killed. You glossed right over that concept, and I think you are arguing from a very dishonest position at this point. Obviously I should have done a better job at not making this feel like a personal attack, and I apologise for doing so. Honest discussion end when people are offended.

[–]Zahn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

He's not offended, he's just playing you.

[–]Only71Genders 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He's doing a poor job at it then. If his best argument is to not have one, and then give me a platform to prove he doesn't have one, then his strategy sucks balls. But you're probably right. There is no way that he can be this oblivious. It looks intentional. Although cognitive dissonance is a powerful force sometimes.

[–]Anticapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Your belief is that these concentration camp photos are all some kind of jewish conspiracy theory.

You're in denial of a wide variety of photo/video evidence from multiple sides which almost entirely matches- showing the same atrocities, eg same trains (which had a bunch of jewish/etc people on them when people were freed,) and the same mass killing camps and the same mass graves.

And this photo/video evidence (from multiple sides) also matches the testimony of the survivors of the death camps, and also matches the nazi's post-war writings & stories defending their genocide.

In other words, your position is 100% not rational.

[–]Zahn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You're a pretty funny jewish kid. I appreciate your chutzpah, but you're out of your league and need to work on your rhetoric game more. Will check back when you have had some more practice.

[–]Anticapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

[talking about someone personally]

That's also not a rational argument that anything I said was wrong.

[–]Zahn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Another fatal flaw is that you don't innately know when to stop. Sociopathic behaviour is ingrained in you and are in love with hearing yourself talk. Grossly overestimating your intellect, you seek to hide your deficiencies behind the complexities of sophistry to sway the weak minded and to further delude yourself with your perceived intellectual grandiosity when you have succeeded in fooling the unwary.

The truth never fears questioning, nor would you have to resort to rhetorical fallacies if your debate premise was founded in truth to begin with.

I can only implore that you pursue more meaningful causes to advance peace and understanding. But, just not sure those kind of pursuits are in your nature. Time will tell...Farewell, do well.

[–]Anticapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

[personal attacks]

Thank you for surrendering the debate.

[–]Only71Genders 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Your belief is that these concentration camp photos are all some kind of jewish conspiracy theory

That was MY belief?? You can't help but lie, can you? Super weird.

Again, videos and photos don't prove anything as factual. At all. I hope you aren't on a jury for an innocent man... And I've explained this repeatedly, but you aren't honest enough to reply to anything that I have said. You just keep changing the subject and going on about the Holocaust claims. Which you can't prove. And you are pissed that you can't prove it. Thanks to this conversation, I now believe in the Holocaust a little less than I did before. Still pretty in the middle though. But you and I will never know what really happened. You will have to go to the grave knowing that all you can do is lie and say you know it all to be a fact. You never will though. Good luck!

[–]Anticapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

It's not just photos, it's photos matching from different sources (eg different nations) which also match survivor testimony and match the confessions/writings of the nazis.

Please be honest and rational.

[–]Only71Genders 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Lmao telling me to be honest just makes you a troll at this point. Can you specify what I said that was dishonest? You couldn't even back up a single one of your lies. Repeating that you think your evidence is definitely proof that something is a fact, doesn't make it a fact. It just makes you a liar. Or con artist. Or both...

[–]Anticapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You have no evidence for your belief that the endless holocaust photos [eg this] were all photoshoped.

The photos (from many sides & states) show a matching & clear horrific genocide. And I believe many people are in denial about that. If you can not accept the endless evidence I have already posted then you will probably never accept this reality.

[–]Only71Genders 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I never said any of them were photoshopped. Have you been reading anything I wrote are you just fucking with me at this point? None of those photos or videos show a genocide anyway. Not even reasonable possible to illustrate with photos and videos from that era. If you had videos of six million people giving interviews, saying they are Jewish, and then wacthing them be murdered, then we could talk on your terms. You might have a few thousand bodies, at most, with assumed context. That doesn't prove six million people were murdered.

It's amazing that you could say that I will never accept reality, when I already clarified that the Holocaust may have happened and even the six million number may have been accurate, while you are in absolute denial that you could have been misled on anything historical, especially the holocaust. THAT is an absolute denial of reality. Have you ever questioned that nature of your existence? Or do you accept whatever someone else tells you is the factual reality?