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[–]Anticapitalist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

They prove that a "certain" amount of inmates were starving and possibly suffering from disease.

There's many photos of small children in concentration camps, & even if they were starved to death that is still mass murder.

And similarly lots of children where in those giant piles of bodies found after ww2. Your holocaust denial is absolutely cruel and irrational.

[–]newguy 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

You realize there is a difference between questioning the numbers, and questioning if it happened at all. I believe it happened, I'm just not sure about the numbers they claim.

[–]Anticapitalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

If you see:

  • about 6 million jewish people disappeared (whole families and a lot children),

  • and you see the endless photos of little kids in these prisons and piles of bodies,

  • and you see the endless photos of the death camps ,

  • and you see the huge piles of bodies,

And you're like "I wonder if they're a tiny few percentage off" that would be questioning the numbers.

If you're greatly questioning it (suggesting that 6m is greatly too high) thenyou are denying the holocaust. You're not fooling anyone.

[–]newguy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

If you're greatly questioning it (suggesting that 6m is greatly too high) thenyou are denying the holocaust

If I say 5 million died instead of 6 million, that's not "denying the holocaust" because I clearly still think it happened, I just don't agree on the exact numbers.

What if I say I think 5.9 million died? Am I a holocaust denier? Your logic doesn't make sense

Also, many more types of people than just jews died, so I'm not sure why you're only focused on them. I think if you count everyone, didn't 10 million or so get killed in the camps? So by you saying 6 million, that makes you 4 million short!

[–]Anticapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

If I say 3 million died instead of 6 million, that's not "denying the holocaust"

That's denying half the holocaust.

I'm not going to tell you what the percentage is, for who counts as a "holocaust denier", but it is totally rational to understand that at some point a person making very minimal estimates of an event is essentially denying it and should be described that way.

Also, many more types of people than just jews died, so I'm not sure why you're only focused on them.

I'm not, I spoke of the others who were killed. I am giving an example with the most common known number.

[–]newguy 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Okay, fair enough. But how do you explain this assortment of real newspaper articles touting the "6 million jews killed" number, far before WW2 even happened? http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-2yMGvnPoi2M/UAikHaJTxrI/AAAAAAAACdw/p7kBa2KmpHw/s640/holocaust_six_million_exterminated_jews_new_york_times_juda_60000000.jpg

The 6M number is part of some sects of Jewish prophecy, so maybe they suffered 3M terrible losses and then exaggerated it a bit to fulfill prophecy so they could get Israel and fulfill prophecy

[–]Anticapitalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Someone posted that earlier. Here is my reply.

[–]newguy 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Read the 1919 one specifically. And the 1945 ones were before the camps had even been fully liberated, how could they have such an accurate total so quickly?

Also you don't find it odd that the "6 million jews burned" number is mentioned in prophecy in their own religious books, far prior to the holocaust happening? I guess it's just luck the two numbers lined up exactly I guess?

Here, I found a higher-resolution copy of the newspaper one because you're right that other one is not easily readable. https://therealistreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/6-Million-Jews.jpg

[–]Anticapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And the 1945 ones were before the camps had even been fully liberated, how could they have such an accurate total so quickly?

Counting bodies, just after the liberation of the camps, is not even a good way to estimate.

(It only shows how many people were there at that specific time.)

YSK the 6m figure arguably came from the Nazis themselves:

  • "In the 1961 testimony, Hoettl recalled how “Eichmann … told me that, according to his information, some 6,000,000 Jews had perished until then -- 4,000,000 in extermination camps and the remaining 2,000,000 through shooting by the Operations Units and other causes, such as disease, etc.” "

https://www.academia.edu/19580380/Capstone_1

And (also) people argue this number is based on the estimated jewish people who disappeared.

Read the 1919 one specifically.

The one estimating there are 6m jewish people in the ukraine and 6m in poland? That sounds like a very standard coincidence.

[–]Zahn 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is only one group of ethnic people who vehemently repeat the phrases: "You cannot deny the holocaust", "If you question anything about it, you're a holocaust denier". Makes a person wonder......