A principal in Florida said he couldn't confirm the Holocaust was a 'factual' event. The school district just fired him

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[–]Anticapitalist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (33 children)

They prove that a "certain" amount of inmates were starving and possibly suffering from disease.

There's many photos of small children in concentration camps, & even if they were starved to death that is still mass murder.

And similarly lots of children where in those giant piles of bodies found after ww2. Your holocaust denial is absolutely cruel and irrational.

[–]newguy 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

You realize there is a difference between questioning the numbers, and questioning if it happened at all. I believe it happened, I'm just not sure about the numbers they claim.

[–]Anticapitalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

If you see:

  • about 6 million jewish people disappeared (whole families and a lot children),

  • and you see the endless photos of little kids in these prisons and piles of bodies,

  • and you see the endless photos of the death camps ,

  • and you see the huge piles of bodies,

And you're like "I wonder if they're a tiny few percentage off" that would be questioning the numbers.

If you're greatly questioning it (suggesting that 6m is greatly too high) thenyou are denying the holocaust. You're not fooling anyone.

[–]Zahn 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Virtue signaling at its finest. Photos of dead people show dead people. It does not de facto validate your conspiracy theory of an intentional mass extermination event.

Don't see things as you want to see them, or as others want you to see them, instead see things as they truly are.

[–]Anticapitalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

. Photos of dead people show dead people. It does not de facto validate your conspiracy theory of an intentional mass extermination event.

These aren't just bodies, these are mass killings- these are murdered people.

These people and chlidren were often shot, thrown in gas chambers, and worked/starved to death by "guards" who were not starving themselves.

[–]Zahn 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Hmmm, seems like you have a suspiciously personal invested interest in this topic. I'm not saying "war crimes" didn't happen, yet your narrative is text book as well as is your "debate" style. You're not progressing the discussion ,but instead repeating yourself. You're not fooling anyone with experience in this subject matter.

[–]newguy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

If you're greatly questioning it (suggesting that 6m is greatly too high) thenyou are denying the holocaust

If I say 5 million died instead of 6 million, that's not "denying the holocaust" because I clearly still think it happened, I just don't agree on the exact numbers.

What if I say I think 5.9 million died? Am I a holocaust denier? Your logic doesn't make sense

Also, many more types of people than just jews died, so I'm not sure why you're only focused on them. I think if you count everyone, didn't 10 million or so get killed in the camps? So by you saying 6 million, that makes you 4 million short!

[–]Anticapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

If I say 3 million died instead of 6 million, that's not "denying the holocaust"

That's denying half the holocaust.

I'm not going to tell you what the percentage is, for who counts as a "holocaust denier", but it is totally rational to understand that at some point a person making very minimal estimates of an event is essentially denying it and should be described that way.

Also, many more types of people than just jews died, so I'm not sure why you're only focused on them.

I'm not, I spoke of the others who were killed. I am giving an example with the most common known number.

[–]newguy 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Okay, fair enough. But how do you explain this assortment of real newspaper articles touting the "6 million jews killed" number, far before WW2 even happened? http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-2yMGvnPoi2M/UAikHaJTxrI/AAAAAAAACdw/p7kBa2KmpHw/s640/holocaust_six_million_exterminated_jews_new_york_times_juda_60000000.jpg

The 6M number is part of some sects of Jewish prophecy, so maybe they suffered 3M terrible losses and then exaggerated it a bit to fulfill prophecy so they could get Israel and fulfill prophecy

[–]Anticapitalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Someone posted that earlier. Here is my reply.

[–]newguy 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Read the 1919 one specifically. And the 1945 ones were before the camps had even been fully liberated, how could they have such an accurate total so quickly?

Also you don't find it odd that the "6 million jews burned" number is mentioned in prophecy in their own religious books, far prior to the holocaust happening? I guess it's just luck the two numbers lined up exactly I guess?

Here, I found a higher-resolution copy of the newspaper one because you're right that other one is not easily readable. https://therealistreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/6-Million-Jews.jpg

[–]Anticapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And the 1945 ones were before the camps had even been fully liberated, how could they have such an accurate total so quickly?

Counting bodies, just after the liberation of the camps, is not even a good way to estimate.

(It only shows how many people were there at that specific time.)

YSK the 6m figure arguably came from the Nazis themselves:

  • "In the 1961 testimony, Hoettl recalled how “Eichmann … told me that, according to his information, some 6,000,000 Jews had perished until then -- 4,000,000 in extermination camps and the remaining 2,000,000 through shooting by the Operations Units and other causes, such as disease, etc.” "

—https://www.academia.edu/19580380/Capstone_1

And (also) people argue this number is based on the estimated jewish people who disappeared.

Read the 1919 one specifically.

The one estimating there are 6m jewish people in the ukraine and 6m in poland? That sounds like a very standard coincidence.

[–]Zahn 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is only one group of ethnic people who vehemently repeat the phrases: "You cannot deny the holocaust", "If you question anything about it, you're a holocaust denier". Makes a person wonder......

[–]Zahn 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

Put on your tin foil hat, there's no big conspiracy by the "powerful holocaust questioning" lobby to bring up concerns just so that they can get thrown in jail for deviating from the official narrative.

What if those children starved as a result of Allied bombing of food and medicine supply lines? Thusly, the U.S. in effect, killed them?

Also, being labeled a "denier" is obviously just slander. I question everything. All you must do is open your mind. More substance, less weaponized slurs.

[–]Anticapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

What if those children starved as a result of Allied bombing of food and medicine supply lines? Thusly, the U.S. in effect, killed them?

Little kids were in a prison to execute them and their families.

Please don't try to blame the people trying to defeat the Nazis based on the "argument" that theoretically a US bomb could have hurt the jews/etc.

[–]Zahn 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

You should bring up human lamp shades, human soap, roller coaster of death, anal gas pumps ,and the masturbation death machines at this point to really solidify your stance.

[–]Anticapitalist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Even if some of the allegations (of the nazi's actions) were not proven that is not evidence that that the event in general lacks evidence.

Be honest: the nazis, eg in their writings & statements after the war, defended their genocidal ideology. You can not deny the holocaust.

[–]Zahn 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Also, yet another strange comment from you. Really putting yourself out there with these absolutist statements. Many of these common war crimes you cite have interesting parallels to the current Jewish treatment of modern day Palestinians and their children. Seems when the shoe is on the other foot, then it's ok?

[–]WebcomicAddiction 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Many of these common war crimes you cite

Arent you the one who cites war crimes here?

[–]Zahn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not I.

[–]ouijazaza 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

https://tips.fbi.gov/

[–]Zahn 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

It's your "theoretical" they were wanting to kill children. I have not found anything that would substantiate this theory of yours. That's just mental gymnastics on your part. However the Allies were quite open about their bombing raids incapacitating German supply lines causing widespread starvation and suffering. Hence, the alternate theory they died as a result of Allied destruction of food and medical supply lines is significantly more plausible than you jumping to predetermined conclusions.

[–]Anticapitalist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

It's your "theoretical" they were wanting to kill children.

There's nothing theoretical- they shot children & spoke of it openly after the holocaust was revealed. And not only did they shoot children with guns, but they portrayed themselves as good moral people for doing it.

Nazi police officer:

  • "I made the effort to only shoot children. It so happened that the mothers led the children by the hand. My neighbor then shot the mother and I shot the child that belonged to her. Because I reasoned with myself that after all, without it's mother the child could not live any longer. It was supposed to be, so to speak, soothing to my conscience to release children unable to live without their mother."

— https://youtu.be/O8UzmLsXGRU?t=1165

And they put children in death camps. You can not rationally shift the blame like this.

[–]Zahn 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

This anecdotal example does not conclusively prove an intentional mass extermination event. You're leading with your emotions and not your mind. It's okay to feel what you do, but you must push through the involuntary reactionism regardless of how uncomfortable it becomes for you.

[–]Anticapitalist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

This anecdotal example does not conclusively prove an intentional mass extermination event.

The other things I posted are clear evidence of the holocaust.

While that (a Nazi police offer admitting to killing masses of children via shooting them) is to show this was not simply some accident, or some accidental lack of food. They were shooting children.

[–]Zahn 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

You did not post proof of 6 million systematically exterminated via gas chamber or otherwise. Adjust your tin foil hat and please just stop before you embarrass yourself anymore.

[–]Anticapitalist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You did not post proof of 6 million systematically exterminated via gas chamber or otherwise.

Even if nobody finds out the exact methods of killing, the 6 million number is based on an estimated amount of jewish people who disappeared during the nazi regime. It's entirely logical to combine the facts (disappearances, death camps, and a huge train system for abducted people) and rationally conclude there was a mass killing/genocide.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

You should stop now unless you want your worldview rocked. It's depressing as fuck. And no, Hitler was not a good guy and he did many things wrong.

[–]WebcomicAddiction 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How would he have his worldview rocked?

[–]CompleteDoubterII 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I'm curious about your views on the Holocaust. What do you believe? Or do you believe nothing, only that the official story is false? What convinced you of this? (I've done no investigation, so I have no view on it.)

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It's very strange that there are laws preventing people from discussing this one particular historical event. Aside from that, the truth is always in the middle.

[–]CompleteDoubterII 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yes, I find that suspicious/odd as well.

But what series of events do you believe happened in the Holocaust? If you don't have any belief, I find it odd that you would say 'You should stop now unless you want your worldview rocked', as that implies you believe that person you were talking to would be shocked by what really happened, or the evidence, which would indicate a belief of some kind.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm gonna take a pass. Some are uncomfortable with a site admin speaking about these topics.