O-oy v-vey, shut (((him))) down!

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[–]send_nasty_stuff 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

If you create a place of hatred, then you're gone.

Hatred is in the eye of the beholder. Palestinians are sniped and murdered by Israel weekly yet there are social media networks and entire MSM divisions that call even mild criticism of Israel 'hate.' My experience on modding r/debatealtright and r/altrightwebm is to exclude hate rhetoric but only because it's lazy and hurts our (dissident right european people's) cause. I also wouldn't sub to subs that promote blatant hate. However it's not a real social media site if it doesn't allow hate. People just shouldn't subscribe to subs that they interpret as hate filled. True hate subs will naturally stay small because people for the most part are good. However, the minute you create rules against the blanket term of 'hate' it now becomes a political weapon to shape debate and shape politics. So what are you trying to do with this site? Are you just another reddit that quarantines and bans political subs under the banner of 'anti hate' or is this a community that wants to be a real forum? I personally never really liked 'r/fatpeoplehate' or 'r/spaceniggers' but you can't call it an open community if those aren't allowed because under the guise of getting rid of 'hate' like r/fatpeoplehate admin quietly bans subs like r/pizzagate and r/holocaust which are filled with legit political discussion and legit discussion of source driven information. I guess the question is are you a tool of the oligarchs or not magnora7?

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

You know what the rules are: https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/j1/the_saiditnet_terms_and_content_policy/

And if you don't like them, you know where the door is. Simple as that.

[–]send_nasty_stuff 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Got it. So you're a jew. I will spread the word as hard as possible through dissident reddit, trs forums, riot communities and the stormer BBS (in addition to chan and infinity chan) that this site is compromised.

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

That must be why I'm always speaking out against Zionism? You can't even follow super basic rules? Sad.

[–]send_nasty_stuff 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Listen I'm a passionate person about my politics and I'm not going to invest the enormous amount of time to grow and moderate subreddits and make them interesting and fun if the site admins are just going to destroy them for political reasons. And I'm not really against you trying to make this place respectable. How do I know you're not going to use 'respectability' as a way to ban me and my communities as well? r/debatealtright has been the most respectable 'high pyramid of debate' sub on reddit yet we are quarantined and fear bans everyday because reddit has an agenda. I'm asking you respectfully what is your agenda? Why should I and other dissident people come here? YOU need to sell your site not me. And for the record I'm a former liberal as well. I have a graduate degree. I'm not a grug brain 16 year old shitposter.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I'm not going to invest the enormous amount of time to grow and moderate subreddits and make them interesting and fun if the site admins are just going to destroy them for political reasons.

Now you know how I feel about people posting hateful shitposts and filling up this site with garbage! It's the same thing.

How do I know you're not going to use 'respectability' as a way to ban me and my communities as well?

How do I know you're not going to use MDE to force a bunch of garbage content on to the site to destroy saidit? There are people looking to do this, you realize.

I've put WAAAAY more time in to saidit than you ever will.

YOU need to sell yourself to US. The community here would be fine without you, if you're going to go around accusing everyone of being jews and saying you're going to defame the site everywhere when they disagree with you slightly. You want to show me how mature you are? Then show me, don't tell me. Actions speak louder than words, and a few minutes ago you were just slinging around accusations and saying you wished to defame the site. If you want to be respected, then earn it. You are a visitor here. We are glad to have visitors, but not if they're going to drag things down the pyramid of debate constantly. If you don't act that way, then there will be no problem. But if you do act that way, then you are not welcome. If that costs us users, then so be it. What are we losing anyway? Just a bunch of blind anger and pointless uninformed rage. So if you don't exhibit those characteristics on a regular basis, there will be no need for anyone to do anything. It's not about ideology, it's about character and decorum. That's my agenda. To have a nice place to hang out with real humans, that isn't just a slew of race-based shitposts like voat is. I really don't think that's asking anything too crazy.

[–]send_nasty_stuff 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Ok. I appreciate you explaining things more. I get that you want a higher tone. A little like the true reddit sub maybe? How do you expect to do that on a reddit clone though? I get if you were doing it as a mod on a single sub or a series of subs but not across an entire site. Not every vote ranked community is about decorum and rigor but they aren't necessarily about hate either. Is your goal to have a every sub like a debate sub? What are your thoughts on subs like r/cringeanarchy?

[–]magnora7 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

A little like the true reddit sub maybe?

Yeah, that's a good example!

It's not going to be easy to do, that's for sure. But we just want to avoid becoming the extremes of voat and reddit. So much so this site used to be called antiextremes, because we just wanted a 3rd place to be free of the hatred and racism that paluge voat, and the insane amounts of censorship that plague reddit. It's a tight line to walk, but we're trying.

I do intend to apply the debate sub model to every sub, because most subs in reality are pushing an ideology one way or another so debates inevitably break out. I'm not a huge fan of cringeanarchy but I wouldn't ban it because it's not fomenting hatred against broad groups of people.

[–]send_nasty_stuff 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Ok. Sounds like MDE prob won't be a fit here but if you're going to be as fair as possible with that application of 'debate' I might encourage my goys to look at saidit as a place for r/debatealtright. I apologize for my spergyness earlier; I will back off the spreading rumors threat I issued. I will look back at my archive of webm's and decide if altrightwebm will fit here. I believe it can but I also don't think saidit will ever get very big if it has such a decorum centered focus. I could be wrong though.

[–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Alright, we can always give it a try. I'm not exactly shy about giving feedback. If it won't work out I assume we'd figure it out pretty quickly.

I'm not concerned about saidit getting big, tbh. I am concerned about it being a high-quality place. If that stifles our growth, then we accept that. Same reason we don't have ads. This is about the community and the quality of information, not view numbers.

Anyway, thanks for the discussion. I wish you the best.