It's a Trap

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[–]Raindeer 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

If a fool falls for A trap so Obvious, The fool was already Trapped

[–]Bonn1770 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Cool now do one with a synagogue

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

That's clearly Burning Man.

Reminds me of the time I first got married at the Church Of Holy Fucking Shit - and then we burned the entire church down the next day.

[–]BISH 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

The Most High does not live in houses made by human hands.

[–]In-the-clouds 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

Amen! After I repented (turned away from my sins and turned back to Jesus) I woke up at night remembering similar words:

I am in a place that cannot be found, a place not made by the hands of men.

Without a doubt, I know that Jesus is the Lord, and he was sent to his public execution by the RELIGIOUS LEADERS of that time. He submitted himself to the cross so that we could be reconciled to God. The enemy of our souls does try to trap people in man-made churches.

For those that wish to know the truth, pray to God directly and read his word! Do not let another man read the Bible for you.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

God does not need to reconcile us to himself, or appease himself for atonement, or pay a ransom to himself. This strange theology is the result of the church's smoothing over the removal of archons and the demiurge from Christianity. They had to do something with the ransom, so they made it owed to God instead. Problem is God is also the one paying it. Even after the church tried to get rid of all "gnostic" concepts, the idea of a ransom to the devil remained prevalent for centuries. Until a famous saint decided it wasn't pious enough.

[–]In-the-clouds 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

Beware of those who deny the Lord who paid their ransom. They are responsible for their own destruction, because they have rejected God and voluntarily handed themselves over to God's adversary, who will torment them. He hates his own servants whom he has deceived. They think they will receive some reward, and they surely will, but not the reward they were promised by the father of lies. If you believe his lies, you are lost. You knew he was a liar and teaches you to lie to others, so how could you believe him when he made promises to you?

“But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.” 2 Peter 2:1

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

The ransom is real, but it was paid to archons and the devil in exchange for us.

[–]In-the-clouds 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

How did God's adversary gain control over you? Why is a ransom even necessary?

You willingly departed from the state of perfection God created you in. You were created as a perfect being, fully enlightened and blissfully happy. But you followed God's adversary, rejected God, and now find yourself in a wretched state behind the boundary of time and space.

God is just, and if he did not require atonement for our sin of apostasy, he would not be a perfect God, a God of Justice, so even God must keep his own commandments, and he does, because he is the Most Perfect Spirit.

The wages of sin is death. Our sin, even the worst sin, was paid for by the death of Jesus. He paid this price for all men, but only the men that voluntarily follow the Lord will bridge the gap, and be finally free from the constraints of time and space, with no more boundaries, but living in eternity, regaining the perfection that was once lost.

It is amazing that God Himself, as the Spirit of Love, would pay our ransom through the man Jesus Christ.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

God says NOT to avenge. Two wrongs don't make a right. Someone else says that, and so does his world. A truly "just" person also would not accept someone else being punished in place of the guilty party.

Galatians 3:13: Messiah bought us from the curse of the law, becoming a curse for us (because it is written, "cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree")

Galatians 4:3: When we were young, we were enslaved under the principles of the world.

Galatians 4:4-5: But when the fullness of the time came, God sent his son so he could buy us, so we could receive adoption.

Galatians 4:8: But then, not knowing God, you were enslaved to things which are not gods by nature.

Romans 3:19: We know that whatever the law says it says to those with the law, so that every mouth would be closed and the whole world would come under justice.

Romans 3:20: Because by works of the law no flesh will be justified, since what comes through law is full knowledge of error. (and who said to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil?)

Romans 3:21-24: But now apart from the law God's justness is through faith in the Messiah, for all who have faith to be justified freely by his goodwill through the ransom that is in Messiah.

Romans 5:10: Since if being erroneous we were bought with his death, much more, being justified, will we be saved in his life. (Note that this statement has suffered severe corruption by the Catholic church. Discount it if you wish, but Galatians still stands.)

Romans 5:20: Law snuck in so that offense would abound, so that goodwill could superabound.

be finally free from the constraints of time and space, with no more boundaries, but living in eternity, regaining the perfection that was once lost

Guess what, you're a heretic too. That's considered a gnostic view. Orthodoxy teaches that the universe is all good and we don't have spirits, only a bodily resurrection on earth. I'm glad you can at least agree that the world is not good.

[–]In-the-clouds 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

God says vengeance belongs to him, so we are not to avenge ourselves. We should not seek revenge on our own, but let Him decide what is right. God is the Righteous Judge.

You make the point that it would not be right to allow someone else to be punished for your sin. And if you are separate from Jesus, then what you said applies to you: you are not forgiven.

Those of us that are one with Jesus are forgiven. We are no more two separate people, but one being. Jesus in me, I in him, and He in the Father. These three are one. The man whose sins are forgiven is one with the man who took the punishment.

We are one when we walk in the spirit with Jesus. Those with a carnal mind are not one with Jesus. Romans 8:7 But why should I, a heretic to you, waste your time any further? Maybe you have something more important to do.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

Any competent judge would see that as an obvious loophole. You aren't giving God enough credit. He clearly prefers mercy to the human idea of justice, and what makes you think he's bound to fulfill the latter? If someone wrongs you and you don't want to retaliate, do you have to punish yourself? Much more logical that there are two opposing parties at play. The evil rulers of this realm accepted being allowed to kill Jesus in exchange for us. Not realizing he could overcome death. This was quite a popular belief in ancient times and is clearly the original concept.

The truth isn't decided by what "Christianity" says, so when there's an obvious problem with things like "God sacrificed himself to himself to appease the human idea of justice", don't be afraid to recognize it! Many people think faith means believing whatever you're told and never questioning any of it. In constrast Jesus was frustrated with the Pharisees and even his own followers because of their allegiance to religious codes and refusal to reason.

[–]In-the-clouds 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

If I am an heretic, then why are you wasting your time on me? Are you trying to convert me? What is your reward if you convince me to depart from the light, and to enter the darkness? And do you really believe you would receive the reward you were promised?

You imply that God is unjust for letting Jesus take the punishment for my sins, and you imply that God is incompetent, because this is some "loophole". You also make God's adversary appear greater, as if God needed their permission to be reconciled with us, as if God answers to them.

How did the creature become greater than the Creator?

According to you, the enemy agreed to let us return to God in heaven if they were allowed to kill Jesus. Even if they had made such a promise, why would they ever keep it? They are liars.

God is All Powerful and there is nothing they could do to stop Him from taking our souls back. But He gave us free will and He will never force us to come back to Him.

God's Spirit was in the man Jesus when He died on the cross, showing His greater than great love for us. He proved He is the most worthy Lord over all creation, a God we can trust. No one loves us more than Him. His love is infinite. When we believe this, our immense guilt of sin is removed. Yes, God loves us. He wants us to come home. We do not ever have to doubt His love again.

[–]chottohen[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What is the bait that brings victims into the trap? Neverending life sounds more like a curse. Or?