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[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Are you certain that BIID doesn't have a physical cause?

Right back at you. What tests are done to ensure this isn't another issue? Hormone imbalance? Depression? Abuse? None, no tests, no connect the dots, nothing. The NHS just gives kids 3 half hour interviews where they are encouraged to take medication and have surgery. In fact, is it not possible that puberty itself is causing the negative thoughts, depression and confusion? Would it not be more ethical to first allow a child to become mature enough to make a decision themselves without sterilising them, something they might later regret?

If the cause of gender identity is in the mind them why does it require physical alterations?

Why is it that suicidal thoughts and behaviour doesn't reduce after surgery?

Surely you are aware of the Tavistock Clinic scandal, the NHS clinic pressuring kids to go on puberty blockers and is at risk of being sued by thousands of patients?

Why is is that there is predominantly transgenderism in mostly super woke areas like California? Parents push this, there is no way a toddler can be diagnosed with being transgender, and yet it's the norm in wokeville.

If you see what you want to see, I guess you will never have to question your position.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

In fact, is it not possible that puberty itself is causing the negative thoughts, depression and confusion?

That happens a fair bit. The good thing about puberty blockers, is you can stop taking them, and go through puberty.

Would it not be more ethical to first allow a child to become mature enough to make a decision themselves without sterilising them, something they might later regret?

Puberty blockers don't sterilise anyone. Gender reassignment surgery might. Which is why you use puberty blockers on a child.

Why is it that suicidal thoughts and behaviour doesn't reduce after surgery?

They do.

Association Between Gender-Affirming Surgeries and Mental Health Outcomes

Surely you are aware of the Tavistock Clinic scandal, the NHS clinic pressuring kids to go on puberty blockers and is at risk of being sued by thousands of patients?

As with other parts of the NHS, under-funding and under-staffing results in too short consultation periods, unclear treatment pathways due to uncertain diagnosis.

I'm pretty sure if you just left the EU, you could put £350 Million per week back into the NHS, solving these issues.

Why is is that there is predominantly transgenderism in mostly super woke areas like California?

Because kids in conservative places would suffer through rather than bring it up.

If you see what you want to see, I guess you will never have to question your position.

Right back at you.

You didn't provide any links to:

1) Some governments pushing this
2) Some medical institutions pushing this
3) Some specialists pushing this. (Do you mean medical specialists?)
4) Parents pushing this

Did you make it up yourself, or do you claim "Tavistock" is sufficient for each of those?

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

The good thing about puberty blockers, is you can stop taking them, and go through puberty.

Many of these puberty blockers have insufficient data on their use in this manner. Some are the same medications used to chemically castrate pedophiles. Some have long term side effects that can increase the risk of serious conditions such as cancer. It is not acceptable to replace the risk of suicidal thoughts with actual risk of physical illness and/or the possibility of inability to later reproduce.

They do.

According to some studies fully backed by trans lobbies, I'm sure. Even so. We do not know that they would have directly reduced suicide rates as a result of the process or as a byproduct of reducing the impact of the natural hormones. If a person is experiencing depression from hormones.and you block the hormones, it doesn't mean that it has been successful. Millions of men and women have hormone changes in later life, it doesn't mean they are all trans.

As with other parts of the NHS, under-funding and under-staffing results in too short consultation periods

The NHS is not understaffed or under-funded. This is headline sensationalism to encourage support for.unions for excessive increases.in work benefits and pay. It is on the other hand, very badly managed. And many high rollers such as GPs barely step foot in work before planning retirement at age 45. Don't give that nonsense, Tavistock was a specialised clinic, it's not like they were busy with A&E patients turning up drunk on Wednesday night after fighting over a food all match result.

I'm pretty sure if you just left the EU, you could put £350 Million per week back into the NHS

The EU is busy punishing the UK by applying more.red tape to our trade than they apply to Venezuela. That and the open door policy to ushering in as many illegal migrants to our shores as they can to reduce the strain on their economy. But I suppose a small island is supposed to be fine housing, feeding, funding and catering for the health needs of 100k illegals a year?

Because kids in conservative places would suffer through rather than bring it up.

Don't be so naive. The entire world outside of California is not conservative. People, children especially are extremely suggestible. Trends become popular and the more a.topic is discussed, the more likely you create a following than you actually discover a following. Pushy parents, far-left indoctrination in educational environments, groomer teachers and freaks on Reddit giving puberty blockers to strangers kids is all perfectly normal for you?

You didn't provide any links to:

1) Some governments pushing this 2) Some medical institutions pushing this 3) Some specialists pushing this. (Do you mean medical specialists?) 4) Parents pushing this

Did you make it up yourself, or do you claim "Tavistock" is sufficient for each of those?

Correct, I didn't provide links because I do not believe every conversation requires an endless glossary of terms, lost of references, etc. Also correct, this example is sufficient because Tavistock was a government run, medical institution, of a specialist nature with reports of nutjob pushy parents, so yes, it literally covered all bases.

When there are hundreds, possibly thousands of adults who regret what they have done, it is the support of those like yourself who should answer for it.

Amputation is not a cure to mental health issues.

Sterilization is not the cure to gender identity issues.

Lobotomy is not the cure to insanity.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Some are the same medications used to chemically castrate pedophiles.

Really? Which ones?

It is not acceptable to replace the risk of suicidal thoughts with actual risk of physical illness and/or the possibility of inability to later reproduce.

Let the patient decide that.

According to some studies fully backed by trans lobbies, I'm sure.

That is the evidence we have. What evidence do you have for claiming they don't?

If a person is experiencing depression from hormones.and you block the hormones, it doesn't mean that it has been successful.

Read the paper. Hormone and other other types of gender-affirming care were controlled for.

After adjustment for sociodemographic factors and exposure to other types of gender-affirming care, undergoing 1 or more types of gender-affirming surgery was associated with lower past-month psychological distress (adjusted odds ratio [aOR], 0.58; 95% CI, 0.50-0.67; P < .001), past-year smoking (aOR, 0.65; 95% CI, 0.57-0.75; P < .001), and past-year suicidal ideation (aOR, 0.56; 95% CI, 0.50-0.64; P < .001).

Millions of men and women have hormone changes in later life, it doesn't mean they are all trans.

True. Also irrelevant.

Tavistock was a specialised clinic, it's not like they were busy with A&E patients turning up drunk on Wednesday night after fighting over a food all match result.

It was reported, based on the interim Cass review, that Tavisok Clinic was "under unsustainable pressure as the demand for the service outstrips capacity ..."

Do you know this to be wrong based on your own research?

The EU is busy punishing the UK by applying more.red tape to our trade than they apply to Venezuela.

And the UK is busy unilaterally ignoring the Northern Ireland Protocol, and watching the Tories go through the fourth prime minister in the five years since May was elected on the platform of providing a "strong and stable" government.

The entire world outside of California is not conservative.

This is strictly only a California effect? Could I look at your data?

Also correct, this example is sufficient because Tavistock was a government run, medical institution, of a specialist nature with reports of nutjob pushy parents, so yes, it literally covered all bases.

Okay. You've got one example for your claim "This has literally been the push from governments, medical institutions, specialists, activist groups and woke parents who wish they had a girl instead of a boy."

You shouldn't really use plurals. And I question whether they are genuinely interested in sterilization.

[–]Vulptex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Transgender rates are up to like 10% right now because of how prevalent the topic is and how confused 99.9% of people are about it. What used to be true isn't going to be true anymore, most of those people are going to detransition, and then blame trans people for grooming them. We need to go back to the days when hardly anyone knew about trans people except trans people themselves. That would also help them pass better, and they wouldn't get nearly as much hate because their supposed allies wouldn't be ruining everything and passing draconian laws on their behalf and making them all look like a complete joke.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Transgender rates are up to like 10% right now because of how prevalent the topic is and how confused 99.9% of people are about it.

If 0.5% is like 10%

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/transgender-population-by-state

[M]ost of those people are going to detransition, and then blame trans people for grooming them.

Shall we all grab a pitchfork and get as upset as we can based on this wild and free speculation?

An alternative would be to try to find some evidence.

That would also help them pass better,

For that you need timely treatment.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

For that you need timely treatment.

I won't break someone's denial if it's holding them back from crisis, but in my case I just can't buy lies like that. Treatment can maybe make you pass if you're FtM. And even then you're still disguising yourself more than actually getting to live the way you need to. The truth is we don't have a magic bullet.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I won't break someone's denial if it's holding them back from crisis, but in my case I just can't buy lies like that. Treatment can maybe make you pass if you're FtM.

Does timeliness make any difference if you're MtF?

Because if you get in before puberty, most people would say you'd at least pass better. You know. Because the shape of the hips, the shape of the shoulders, the density of facial hair, the changes to the voice, the difference in adult height. These are the things that get in the way of passing. And they predominantly differentiate between the sexes during puberty.

[–]Vulptex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Because female puberty does nothing fundamental. You basically stay the same person. Male puberty dramatically changes every single aspect of you permanently, and they're mostly bad.

[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Because female puberty does nothing fundamental

Girls change shape a lot. They get wide hips. They stop growing upwards as much.

They also grow boobs and get periods.

But I take your point that men get facial hair and hair on their limbs and their voice breaks on top of similar magnitude shape changes.

And testosterone makes them die in car crashes 5 times as much. FtM transexuals on testosterone complain that they want to go to the pub and start fights all the time.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Really? Which ones?

Lupron (leuprolide acetate), off the top of my head.